Weapons to Mexico: Government Lying?
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02 April 2009
Several readers have forwarded this important story. Thank you.
If FOX is right and the government is wrong (not surprising), this will be a feather in FOX's cap!
The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.While 90 percent of the guns traced to the U.S. actually originated in the United States, the percent traced to the U.S. is only about 17 percent of the total number of guns reaching Mexico.
By William La Jeunesse and Maxim Lott
FOXNews.com
EXCLUSIVE: You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.-- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.
-- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.
-- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."
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This is a political aim to increase Gov't control by using their buds the left leaning media.
That means that 83 percent of the guns used in crimes in Mexico are from Mexico or other than the US. This also means that the people like the press and Mrs. Clinton and Senator Fienstein are purposefully misstating the problem, to use this lie to address gun ownership rights in the US.
Have they addressed how many crimes committed in the US are committed by illegals?
No. For this would bring attention to the real issue which is border security.
Sweet!!! You heard it first on Michael's website.
Apology accepted.
I look forward to your firsthand take on the Mexico situation. I personally think your expierence in Iraq and AfPak will lend a lot of insight into this. I see many similarities between the cartels actions and AQ's tactics.
I've written the Houston Chronicle and New York Times in response to articles on this subject, but they choose not to print them.
Godspeed on your overseas mission and we'll try to watch your back here at home.
Jim Blackstone
And BTW, also a 'Tanker' (though we prefer the ƒ??Tankie ƒ??sobriquet) for 31 years. Have you ever used an AK? And I mean a ChiCom or old Soviet AKM using Soviet or Chinese manufactured rounds, not refined Finnish, Yugoslav or Hungarian versions. Yes: Itƒ??s simple, reliable and relatively powerful (except the jacket comes straight off the lead if it the round much as clips a branch ƒ?? big impact on accuracy and punch) but you couldnƒ??t hit a man target at 300m with it. And the older they are, the worse it gets. Give me an M4 anytime (good deal lighter too). It's not the weapon of a soldier, but of a poorly trained muppet conscript. The only reason you see PSC operators or SF with them (and then they most definitely are the refined foriegn versions) is that they help the 'blend'.
Say it ain't so...
Ignorance is a dangerous thing.
"It's just fascinating to see apparent gun-fanatics misquote a document that is just inches away on the same computer screen. If they invest only that minimal level of attention to the guns they are apparently packing, it's just a matter of time before they accidentally shoot themselves or someone else. Attention to detail is an important component of gun safety. "
So where's your "attention to detail", Michael? More importantly, where's you journalistic integrity? You didn't even bat an eye when the 90% figure started getting tossed around. On the contrary, you tried to sell it as fact and then insulted the intelligence and integrity of anyone who questioned it.
So yeah, where's the apology Mike?
If he would cut off the illegal aliens we wouldn't hasve hospitals going bankrupt...but he wont or pelosi wont.
Illegal alien social service costs us since 1996
$46,580,000,000
Illegal Immigrants in country since 1996
20,106,234
Money wired To Mexicxo since 1996
$20,014,000
Money wired to Latin America
$213,749,999,000
Children in public schools
2,250,665
Cost of kids of illegals in school k-12
$1,295,5000,000
Illegal imigrants incarcerated
20,291,665
Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001
$6,558,690
Illegal Immigrant Fugitives
16,518,060,765
Anchor Babies Since 2002
1,869,630
Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Immigrants
9,704,163
If we got rid of all these we wouldn't have a health care problem. The cost is run up because the illegals dont pay for anything and the bill is stuck on us that are residents.
A great number of the guns are coming from the crooked members of the Mexican Army and Police Force. That is not an idea but a documented fact.
Personally, as to your 'dread to think how many firearms there actually are in the US', I hope the government has no damn idea; if you're an honest citizen it's nobody's damn business how many you own, or how much ammo.
Returning to the US can be an arduous process.
My point being that if Mexican Customs were doing their job the weapons could be slowed to a trickle.
It's not the fault of the US or our gun laws, it is the fault of Mexican enforcement.
"What are they for exactly?"
Collecting. Plinking. Hunting. Competition. Sporting Clays. Investments. Buying an AR and hanging six pounds of crap off the rails. Self defense. Distrust of Government. In the case of large caliber rifles on private ranges, breaking stuff from several hundred meters away. Just to have one. For the hell of it. There aren't many bad reasons for acquiring a firearm, though there are some silly ones (the hanging crap off the rails reason is one).
"And what could possibly stop a goodly proportion of the extant firearms population finding thier way South of the Border."
I can think of a number of things that would prevent the guns from crossing the border. Mostly it boils down to 'we like our guns, so why would we sell them to criminals?' Weapons already in private hands may well have significant sentimental value. For example, if I managed to acquire either the Remington Nylon (it went to an uncle so he could teach his kids) or the .22 revolver my dad used to teach me to shoot, I would never let them go. Firearms are getting more expensive by the minute, so anyone bothering to buy one in the first place has a very good reason to hold on to it. Those who go through the rigmarole of acquiring them legally probably want to -keep- them or at the most give them away to people they know personally. Most gun owners are law-abiding. CHL or CCW holders are even more law-abiding. Gun running is wrong. We know it. We know also that it would cost us valuable privileges. Finally, in the case of .50 rifles, usually priced in the mid to high four figures, I can think of no incentive - none at all - to sell them across the border after going to the trouble of saving up for the weapon or financing it. Imagine that. Financing a firearm. But I guess some people really, really want a .50 BMG. More power to them.
"What are they for exactly?"
Collecting. Plinking. Hunting. Competition. Sporting Clays. Investments. Buying an AR and hanging six pounds of crap off the rails. Self defense. Distrust of Government. In the case of large caliber rifles on private ranges, breaking stuff from several hundred meters away. Just to have one. For the hell of it. There aren't many bad reasons for acquiring a firearm, though there are some silly ones (the hanging crap off the rails reason is one).
"And what could possibly stop a goodly proportion of the extant firearms population finding thier way South of the Border."
I can think of a number of things that would prevent the guns from crossing the border. Mostly it boils down to 'we like our guns, so why would we sell them to criminals?' Weapons already in private hands may well have significant sentimental value. For example, if I managed to acquire either the Remington Nylon (it went to an uncle so he could teach his kids) or the .22 revolver my dad used to teach me to shoot, I would never let them go. They are getting more expensive by the minute, so anyone bothering to buy one in the first place has a very good reason to hold on to it. Those who go through the rigmarole of acquiring them legally probably want to -keep- them or at the very least give them away to people they know personally. Most gun owners are law-abiding. CHL or CCW holders are even more law-abiding. Gun running is wrong. We know it. We know also that it would cost us valuable privileges. Finally, in the case of .50 rifles, usually priced in the mid to high four figures, I can think of no incentive - none at all - to sell them across the border after going to the trouble of saving up for the weapon or financing it. Imagine that. Financing a firearm. But I guess some people really, really want a .50 BMG. More power to them.
The FOX article says M-16's made in Belgium, but I am pretty sure they are made only in FN's South Carolina plant.
I am very disappointed in you. I have been reading your work for quite a while now. I have donated what I could. My autographed and well thumbed copy of Moment of Truth in Iraq is a few feet from me in my bookcase. This is the first time that I have ever doubted your independence or veracity. I find it disappointing that you would accept the word of politicians like Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, and William Hoover. In late 1995, I was a police sergeant. My team had a BATFE agent assigned to work with us to try to make illegal gun cases as we chased drug dealers. Our agent told me to be very careful working with BATFE agents as his own brother agents were not trustworthy. He said there were extreme pressures on them to make cases and that pressure caused them to cut corners with officer safety and violate peopleƒ??s rights to generate statistics. That attitude is exactly what led to the Chinese fire drill at Waco. Local cops heard that BATFE was working on something involving Koresh and offered to arrest him. They saw him at least weekly on the streets of Waco and usually had a chat with him. The BATFE denied that they were working on him because they wanted to use their ingenious plot involving the fake cattle truck and wanted to have news media cameras filming them taking the notorious criminal down without any local yokels detracting from their news-making events.
End dual citizenship NOW! You can be a citizen of the USA or country X - not both.
End anchor babies. Like Canada did, like most other countries do.
End...
Oh heck with it. Wish in one hand, sh.. in the other - see which gets filled fastest.
I guess the cry should be END THE USA NOW! At least that one will come true in my lifetime.
Any time that government officials use the word "undisputable fact" (sic), then you know that it is probably not a fact at all. Or it is a fact, but they've worded it so that while it may be a fact, it doesn't support the argument they are trying to support.
Thanks for following up on this, Michael.
(unrelated: are you aware that some percentage of the time the word verification image doesn't appear so you can't post? Its happened to me several times now!)
"By the way, since November, semi-auto AR 15's have disappeared off the civilian market and are back-ordered at all manufacturers."
I'm in SE Texas, and just went to the gun store yesterday to pick up some ammo. They had 5 AR's sitting there on the shelf, freshly restocked after the Christmas bonanza. They're re-appearing. Ammo is another thing entirely though. I'm with you on the full auto, RPGs, grenades, and Stingers. Stingers? LOL
To Mike, be well and good luck in Laos through to AfPak.
It's time for a lot of people to stand up for their right to a sovereign country. Peaceful rebellion is in the air.....but will become more forceful if our elected officials continue to ignore our laws. Needless to say, especially being a border state, now, of all times, is hardly the occasion for giving up our guns or allowing ourselves to be legislated out of owning and using guns for protection.
Mexico and MEXICANS....It's time to clean up your own mess, including corrupt officials and the infamous, brutal drug lords and their thugs. We are, definitely, tired of cleaning up your mess as you run across the border and expect us to support you. Have YOU no nationalism. Stay and fight for your great country.....as we did ours. Valerie in Arizona8
An interesting quote at the end of the story, "But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, called the "90 percent" issue a red herring and said that it should not detract from the effort to stop gun trafficking into Mexico.
"Let's do what we can with what we know," he said. "We know that one hell of a lot of firearms come from the United States because our gun market is wide open."
Ok, so its a political analyst, I know that, but it might as well have come from the mouth of our incompetent SoS. "Let's do what we can with what we know"...I guess regardless of the facts. "...our gun market is wide open". Well, if its wide open the what would the conclusion be? We must close it down some then huh?
The Secretary of State could give two flips less about whats going on in Mexico. All she sees, and so does the Obama administration, is an opportunity to forward the agenda, gun control.
Who in this world doesn't know that the Mexican government is one of the most corrupt around? It hasn't changed because Obama is now President of the US. Business as usual down there.
I agree with those who want a wall built. The examples given were great ones. But it won't happen with this administration, just like it didn't happen with the last.
Forget trying to land planes into US landmarks, why not just get on a truck and come into the US via trucks?
I criticize Michael Yon when he posts ignorant posts like the "Mexico guns from the US" post, and praise him when he posts actual facts he has witnessed and/or researched.
I have read all the comments in these threads and found no "vulgarity"....None......Zero.
Folks like you who disingenuously rant about what others say are one reason I post under "senorlechero" and not Geoff Milke.
Regards
I have read Mr. Yon's site for years and it seems like the main media outlets are always behind his reporting. Personally I think by Mr. Yon putting the topic out there for the media to pay attention to is why Fox picked it up and ran with it. Some times you have to kick the milk over to get to the truth. Mike Yon has been kicking the milk over for years to uncover the truth, there are many ways to do it, don't judge too fast. Fox news has ran many of Mr. Yon's stories don't think that the media does not pay attention to him, I think sometimes that is where they get most of their stories from in what Mr. Yon's post for review or discussion.
Mr. Yon may have very well played to the media to get to the truth, just an idea from watching his site for years.
Could we have a group of the government, NRA, and reporters to do a very open search for the truth? For one letƒ??s hold the Mexican governmentƒ??s feet to the fire and say show me. I would very much like to see the NRA involved in this matter, to help give some balance to those in government that don't like the second admin much.
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