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The Navy's Moral Compass

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15 August 2012

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    Pat · 6 years ago
    The Navy doesn't have an integrity problem, it's more like a stupidity problem. I don't know how people can make idiotic decisions like this. And then the Air Force sex scandal in Texas. What are these people thinking?
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    James F. McClellan · 6 years ago
    It's not just a Navy problem. It's a society problem. Every survey and review shows that today's men and women (both young and mature) have a slim grasp on ethics. It's considered normal and acceptable to cheat, lie and basically live your life with disregard for damage to others.
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    Gerry · 6 years ago
    I suggest you read about John Paul Jones.
    He would never have made LTJG in the modern Navy.
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    Charles Maxwell · 6 years ago
    Great post! Despite what the numbers may indicate the real causative factor is the 'selection process.' What you're witnessing in 'DFC' events is a selection process that favors cronyism over merit. Pure and simple.
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    Mike O · 6 years ago
    I love how an article on failing moral standards starts with a quote from Eisenhower, a commander who had an affair with Kay Summersby, a subordinate during WWII. :-*
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    a&n · 6 years ago
    "The supreme quality for leadership is unquestionable integrity. Without it, no real success is possible." No wonder our country is in such turmoil. We embraced lady liberalism, the great whore that she is, and now we are reaping what we've sown. Integrity is becoming a stranger to us in many places. Make no mistake...one bad apple does destroy the whole barrel. We need to come back from this trend throughout our society...this corruption from within, as each individual examines him and herself. Thank goodness for those among us and especially in our military who still have integrity. May we support them all the more and let them know we stand with them. And may we not wink at the misdeeds of corrupt men but meet out what they deserve to them.
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    Former Navy Officer · 6 years ago
    The Navy Commanding Officers that are in place today came of age during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Elections have consequences.

    They also have to integrate co-ed crews in very tight living conditions for extended periods.

    While the job has gotten harder for all the wrong reasons, the forgiveness for infractions has decreased.

    There was a saying when I was serving that "Surface Line eats its young". This meant that junior officers were often treated badly by poor leaders.

    The people that do not resign and successfully navigate this selection process will have an increased proportion of bad apples.
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      JEC · 6 years ago
      [quote name="Former Navy Officer"]The Navy Commanding Officers that are in place today came of age during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Elections have consequences.

      They also have to integrate co-ed crews in very tight living conditions for extended periods.

      While the job has gotten harder for all the wrong reasons, the forgiveness for infractions has decreased.

      There was a saying when I was serving that "Surface Line eats its young". This meant that junior officers were often treated badly by poor leaders.

      The people that do not resign and successfully navigate this selection process will have an increased proportion of bad apples.[/quote]

      Marin was commissioned in 86. He replaced Graf who was commissioned in 85. Ward was commissioned in 87. etc etc.

      Blaming Clinton is a tired, old line and does nothing but distract from the real problems.
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      Charles Maxwell · 6 years ago
      That is spot on!
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    karen · 6 years ago
    may GOD bless you and your work!
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    J. · 6 years ago
    If people commissioned in the 80s are turning out to be bad commanders you can rightfully point a finger at them. But you must also point the same finger to THEIR commanders---the people who supposedly taught them to lead, would that be those who were commissioned in the 60s and 70s?

    If screw-ups have been promoted that you need to look at those that promoted them and the system of promotion itself. And then for heaven's sake---change it!

    I say this as a 1979 commissioned officer--anyone in and around my year group have no one to blame but themselves!
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    Frau Blukker · 6 years ago
    He vast... Mein boyfriend!
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    TheOldMan · 6 years ago
    If you were your own subordinate, would you respect your boss? If not, then it's time to change your behavior.
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    Sharinlite · 6 years ago
    This is the result of the l960's march towards "do your own thing"...without consequences...ethics, morals, respect and responsibility has finally reached deep into our forces.
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    Shea Brown · 6 years ago
    Michael,, you must not be watching American television ads,,, don't you know that the U.S. Navy is a "GLOBAL FORCE FOR GOOD?" I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE VERY BRIGHT MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR NATION ARE SEEING THAT SERVING THE WASHINGTON BASED MILITARY MACHINE IS QUITE FOOLISH. And what you are seeing happening in the various services is an indication of the mentalities who are signing up. Soon the only military officers will be Mexicans, who have to serve in order to keep from being kicked back into Mexico. This is called a decline of the empire. Tell me you don't see this yourself . Lots of people love uniforms and guns,, and this is what we are getting now,, not thinking people with superior judgement.
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    Bob T Guy · 6 years ago
    One Aw Shit wipes out an infinity of Attaboys. Does any of this behavior indicate a shift in the culture of Naval leadership, really?

    Going way back, ring knocking cronyism has been a standard. Taking advantage of one's position of power, and fraternizing, and sexual harassment, and hazing, and drunkenness, and macho stunts have been part and parcel to the sailor's identity in some form.

    Now, though, a guy can get court martialed and drummed out for just using the language that was normal ten or fifteen years ago. Not having familiarity with the cases mentioned, I wonder how many of these would have made a ripple fifteen or twenty years ago. The language and behavior of the US Sailor has been rough up to the last generation. This new Politically Correct Navy is a shadow of its former self.

    It is not even the US Navy now. They changed the name to Americas Navy... What the fuck are they thinking? The Pentagon is filled with PC CYA shitheads who should have their asses kicked from now to Sunday. They prosecute warriors for doing their duty in battle, impose ROE that guarantee our losses and appease the enemy. The political correctness is such that a traditionally minded man of the 20th century has to walk on eggshells because there are so many thin - skinned assholes out there who take joy at using a newly robust legal system to punish anyone who "offends" them. Well, I spent over a quarter of a century in the United States Navy, NOT the fucking Americas Navy, fighting for your right to be offended and just get on with life.

    The new "commanders" are imprinted with a modern trait that makes them skittish and exerts a tremendous pressure on them. I cannot begin to fathom the stress of modern command with the political pot shots so prevalent, combined with the sure knowledge that your upper level commanders DO NOT HAVE YOUR BACK if you so much as sneeze in the wrong direction and offend somebody. Of course there are more problems coming to surface.
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    JBD · 6 years ago
    It is very difficult for the people under the command of a person who himself or herself has no moral compass to maintain their own. The rottenness at the top soon starts to permeate the rest of the leadership and ultimately those being lead fall as prey to their leaders' pernicious examples.

    It will probably take a goodly number of years to clean up the mess that our fearless leader has created.

    {^_^}
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    AMJ · 6 years ago
    Bob T Guy--
    Settle down! Although it stands to reason that anyone who spent 25 years in the US Navy harboring as much resentment as you are displaying would have to vent it eventually or explode.

    As a boot ensign whose first duty was as a line officer aboard a Fletcher Class destroyer in 1959 I was well placed to observe the dynamics of human relationships (enlisted and commissioned) that made the Navy function then. I saw it all--the good, the bad, and the ugly, and from the perspective of 2012 don't think the Navy was any better then than it is somehow worse now. In fact, given the more complicated demands of technology and missions, I don't think today's sailors would be well served by much of the mind-set prevalent in the 20th Century Navy. And that includes everyone from a Seaman Apprentice to the CNO.

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