Taliban Denounce Poisoning of Girls

18 April 2012

Yesterday, about 171 girls and women were poisoned at a school in Afghanistan.  Whereas the blame immediately went to the Taliban, Afghanistan is far too complex for reflexive answers.  Further, there are many groups of "Taliban," and other associated enemies, making it impossible to affix responsibility to a monolithic enemy that does not exist.  The attack might also be the work of a lone wolf.

The Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik recently slaughtered 77 people in Norway. That was terror by a Norwegian against Norwegians.  Back in Afghanistan, at least one American Soldier is accused of recently killing 17 Afghans.  Many victims were women and children.  Back in America, years before the war, a former American soldier killed 168, including many very young children, in Oklahoma City.  Nearly 700 were wounded in that Oklahoma terrorist attack.

That's about 260 people killed in three attacks, apparently by only three white guys, none of whom were Taliban or Muslims.  Some people are just bad, and many act alone or nearly alone.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid fully owned up to their terrorist attacks that unfolded just days ago in Kabul and elsewhere.  He emailed to me, and contacted large media, and took credit for multiple suicide and other attacks.  And so it was natural to ask Mujahid if the Taliban (there are many groups, and there are lone wolves) was behind this atrocity against the girls yesterday.

His answer today:

"we are respecting womens .  taliban movement became in power againt those who kidnape womens and rap girls .  we don,t know about these girls , who and for what reason they kidnape. we are not support this .  Their arae a  lot af those creminals who were involve in that kind of cases b4 , now they are in power . and I personly sure that  in this case they will be involve"

And so I responded to Mujahid's answer with a question.  Will the Taliban bring these criminal(s) who poisoned the girls to Islamic Justice?  Mujahid answered minutes ago:

"As I wrote u in my last mail we are agaist this criminals activety , so of corse we will bring them to islamic justice."

Of course, not everything that happens out there is in accordance with the policies of the Afghanistan government, or our troops, or the Taliban.  When a Soldier or Soldiers apparently murdered 17 Afghans, those murders were not sanctioned by our side, though it looks like we own it.  Likewise, the Taliban did abolish opium and the use of boys for sex, and they did hang people for raping women.  Meanwhile, the government of Afghanistan is more apt to make a woman marry someone who rapes her.  This is a complex mess.  There is no black and white in this.  The more you learn the more your head spins.

If there is any good news out of this, it is that many girls are in school.

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+2 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsJim Pruitt 2012-04-18 13:50
Michael, you note that the good news is that many girls are in school (yes, this is good). But, is there any indication that they were poisoned BECAUSE they were in school? It may be too soon to tell, but your thoughts?
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+2 # JimMichael Yon author 2012-04-18 14:11
Jim,

My guess is that they were poisoned because they were in school, but then... Well, why did the Norwegian guy kill all those people? Why were 168 killed in Oklahoma? Why did one (or more) of our guys apparently murder 17 Afghans recently? I can only guess, and it's just a guess. Maybe the person who did it is angry because the school took part of his land? (I have zero idea whatsoever...am just mentioning what we all know, and that is that motivations often turn out to be incredibly different than we supposed, and the perpetrators are not always who we assumed they would be.) I just don't know. We have people who shoot up schools and work places in America. Why do they do it? If Hitler had been a Muslim, we would have said he was on jihad. In fact, he was just Hilter.
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+8 # jawa [Title Changed by Webmaster]Howie 2012-04-18 13:57
Well the problem with this is the spokesman is answering from Pakistan. He is nowhere near Afghanistan and is a known liar when it suits his purpose.

The bottom line is when in power the Afghan Taliban, which I agree are many cells or groups, banned the schooling of girls are part of the official law of that regime.

So as a majority the Afghan Taliban probably does not support the education of females outside the home.
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# TOO CREDULOUS?hippiepooter 2012-04-18 16:53
You have it in a nutshell 'jawa'. As much as it seems Karzai completely sucks and we've been way too ambitious in trying to establish overnight the type of democracy we have in Afghanistan, I am amazed that Michael Yon gives the Taliban so much credibility. Maybe the reason for the claims comes is because as Michael said in his email, a lot of Afghans aren't very happy about the attack on the schoolgirls.

I wonder what this Taliban media guy's thoughts are on flying passenger filled jet planes into packed office buildings?
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+2 # CredsMichael Yon author 2012-04-18 17:15
Note: I don't establish the creds. If you spend a few minutes on the web, you'll see that our own military and much media mention his name or quote his statements. Taliban has their own Twitter, websites, etc. This isn't 1912. Their message will get out there, and if they are going to bring the attackers to justice, let them do it. If not, we might notice.
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+2 # Could be a rogue [Title changed by Webmaster]The Sanity Inspector 2012-04-18 14:31
Could be a rogue, sure. But if an act like this actually serves the Taliban's objectives of cratering public confidence in the government, I doubt they'll get too moist & sniffly. The Viet Cong used to kill and abuse civilians, in order to demoralize supporters of South Vietnam's government.
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+4 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsHeath 2012-04-18 14:39
Let this be a warning to America. This was one of our concerns at the schools for the deaf here in the U.S.A. against these disgusting animals who think cutting innocent people's heads off is normal and shooting women and children in the stadiums. You wonder why the Israelis are fighting islamic terrorists. This is exactly why. Never Again !
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+4 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsBrian 2012-04-18 15:13
If the Taliban were in power the girls would not even be in school. Acid attacks, stoning etc... The Taliban place no value on females, even if they contend they do. They view them as possessions.
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-1 # typical spokespersonironargonaut 2012-04-18 15:50
The taliban spokesperson could work for the US gov't. He did NOT answer your question.
"for what reason they kidnape. we are not support this"
So he stated the Taliban are against rape and kidnapping. He never answered the question about poisoning.
Frankly, I am offended at your trying to give this man credibility. You bring up one example of them taking credit, for something they are proud of. Yet, ignore all the previous lies.
Are you the same Michael Yon who ranted how they were all animals after your female friend was dosed with gas and burned to death for daring to speak to a man? Or were your previous comments in haste.
Question have the Taliban ever in the past taken credit for killing teachers and female students?
While the situation may not be black and white, don't give the taliban credit for truthfulness and respect for women they have not earned.
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+2 # Take a deep breathMichael Yon author 2012-04-18 15:57
My friend was never doused with gas. You are confusing facts somewhere.

Secondly, getting the Taliban on record is a good thing to do.

Finally, this guy has maximum credibility. Not for being truthful, but for knowing about many attacks before they occur. ISAF has been trying to get him.
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-1 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsEllie 2012-04-18 16:30
Creeps me out that you sign it "your writer". Are you now the personal writer for the Taliban?

I don't care for the progress they have made because of the method that they use to control people. They still abuse the women, animals, and children. This is the group that goes around blowing up ancient works of art. The government of Afghanistan is no better.

The entire culture is warped from thousands of years of inbreeding. That is the problem.
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+3 # EllieMichael Yon author 2012-04-18 16:43
Ellie,

This is like an episode of the Twightlight Zone. One guy saying my friend was doused with gas, and you implying that I sign something "your writer" to the Taliban. Where are you guys seeing this? Is there a parallel website that I can't see that's impersonating me? Some milkooks have been known to impersonate me with false websites and so forth -- so nothing would surprise me.
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+3 # And Now Back to Your Normally Scheduled ProgramFThomas 2012-04-18 17:59
I have to agree with Michael (not just because it is his web site), but things are materializing out of thin air.!

The Taliban along with much of Islam creates that kind of confusion for me. In other words: What in the world are they thinking
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+4 # RicochetTim Johnson 2012-04-18 17:29
Hey Mike, this report is really stiring things up...If you hear anything else please let us know how they are doing.
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+2 # What it means to "submit".....TB 2012-04-18 17:33
Here is the bottom line. Islam will never be compatible with western culture, ever! They have to change or we have to change, since I know we are never going to change then there is going to be a conflict with a so called "religion" the name of which, Islam, means "to submit".
That is not voluntary "submission" by the way, it is by force as we have seen and has been played out since this backward cult started in the 7th Century!
Islam is and always will be a scourge of humanity and we need to face up to this fact! They will never change and we will never change so where does that leave us, Armageddon, maybe, I hope not, but I see no other way of dealing with these criminals of humanity!
Just playing nice with them will get us bombs going off in our shopping malls blowing up women and children in strollers!
Everyone really needs to read the words of this mental midget Mohammed and see what you are really in store for when dealing with Islamist criminals!
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# Right on.skai 2012-04-18 21:43
TB. You have hit a nail on the head. " Islam means 'to submit That is not voluntary 'submission' ...." See that whole of Afghanistan was predominantly Buddhist and minority Hindus, until the barbarian muslims came from the West killing and subjugating the people of Afghanistan. Tell us Michael if there is any Buddhist or Hindu left in Afghanistan to day? The same fate waits USA in decades to come.But America will be destroyed from within, with the help from the like of Michael. Mark my words.
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+4 # no solution to this messPete 2012-04-18 17:34
I think we are wasting the lives of our soldiers for a nation of thieves and beggars. Corrupt and feckless.
Their only competency seems to be that of generating misery among innocents.

Be careful Michael. You're a good man.
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# RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsFrank 2012-04-18 17:54
Actually all these problems with the Afgans and all the rest of the backwards people living on this earth is getting really old. I actually care less about situation like this. Is it sad and repulsive? You bet! Can we actually change these types of behavior? No! Dafour with Gooney Clooney and the Hollywood elite can handle this one. I want our soldiers the hell out of any country over in that region. Nothing will get resolved unless someone wants to take drastic measures. We didn't take Nam out and we won't take out these idiots either. Cut our losses, and get out. I can think of a dozen reasons why our Military should be here and not in some S***hole country wasting american lives and money for what???
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# MrRyden 2012-04-19 06:54
What about the tens of thousands of people who have been against the Talibans. Do you think the Talibans will forgive them for having cooperated with "the great Satan"? To paraphrase John Stuart: Hey, those guys live there!
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+3 # Religion As Public LawTB 2012-04-18 18:20
One more point to make here, and that is, Islam is NOT a "religion" it is an ideologically motivated political movement masquerading as a "religion" in the classical sense :eek:

The founding fathers where very familiar with the incestuous relationship between Islam and government, (as was going on with King George and the Church of England), that and other examples was the very reason why the Founders where so vehemently opposed to such an evil marriage which led to one of the first "prohibitions" against the US government going down that path. 8)

But what do we see going on presently, well you make your own judgements, but mine are solidly betting on the United Subjugated States Of Islam or Armageddon, the way things are going! :-*

You have all seen what has happened in Europe in their attempt to appear to be "tolerant", "multicultural" , and "diverse", by letting the Islamists come in and take over local and regional governments and instilling Sharia Law (read Islamist subjugation) then the locals wake-up one day and find themselves living in a foreign country in their own backyards! :cry:

Is this what you want in your backyard? :sad:

Be sure to state your opinion this coming November, please :-?
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# RE: Religion As Public Lawskai 2012-04-18 21:54
TB. " You have all see what has happened in Europe in their attempt to appear to be ''tolerant'','' multiculturalis m''and diverse '' by letting the Islamists come in ..." You are right. Go to YouTube and type in " while 20 million watch and worship x factor" listen to them. USAis not far behind. see www.blip.tv/file/1382254
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-1 # MrRyden 2012-04-19 07:01
You do realise that what you just wrote there is exactly what Anders Behring Breivik believes? The day I realised I shared exactly the same opinions regarding immigration as a homicidal, mass murdering, child killing, vicous, cold blooded, xenophobic murderer I'd really think about what I'm saying to people.
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-1 # IN THE GUTTERhippiepooter 2012-04-19 09:11
If I had to stoop so low in the propaganda gutter as you've just done Ryden I'd conclude my own beliefs are completely worthless.

There's no moral difference between the likes of Breivik and Islamists. The only difference is virtually noone supports a lone, lunatic racist, wheras a huge amount of Muslims support Jihad against the West. If one was to use your own logic one would accuse you of sharing the same views as the 19 hijackers of 9/11.

Not nice, is it?
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-1 # MrRyden 2012-04-19 12:28
Did you actually read the last half of TBs statement? You know the part that reads: "You have all seen what has happened in Europe in their attempt to appear to be 'tolerant', 'multicultural' , and 'diverse', by letting the Islamists come in and take over local and regional governments and instilling Sharia Law (read Islamist subjugation) then the locals wake-up one day and find themselves living in a foreign country in their own backyards!"

If you can provide me with one example of where an Islamist has gained a foot hold in a government and subjected people to Sharia laws (because that is what he stated as a fact), then I will take back my statement and apologize immediately. As of now, that conspiracy theory is nothing short of what Breivik has written.

Where did I write that there was any moral difference between one heinous terrorist and another? And how would I in any way share any views with the swines responsible for 9/11?
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-1 # CHEAP SHOTShippiepooter 2012-04-19 16:57
You dont follow the news much?

Muslims in Bradford West have recently elected the pro-Jihad far leftist George Galloway to Parliament in England.

But for you anyone concerned about Jihad equates with Breivik? Cheap shots dont come much cheaper. Try having a bit of self-respect. Might enhance your sense of self-worth.
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# MrRyden 2012-04-19 18:56
Considering that I actually live in Europe, I do follow the news here. I also live here, so I'm far from unaware of what society looks like over here.

I find it rather strange that you find it neccessary to accuse me of cheap shot in capital letters, when you translate "against the Iraq war" to "pro-Jihad", and "left-wing" to "far leftist".
All I can say is that you have not given me an example of an Islamist being elected into a government to then subject people to Sharia laws, which is exactly what I reacted to in TBs post, where he blatantly suggesting that Europeans haven't been aware of a Islamist threat posed by Muslim immigrants, and have thus found themselves subjected to Sharia laws. That is far from being "concerned about Jihad".

And considering the following facts regarding terrorism in the EU in 2011:
that a total of 249 terrorist attacks were carried out in Europe over the course of 2011, and only 3 of those were Islamist attacks. 160 separatist terror attacks also occured, as well as 45 left-wing and anarchist attacks.
that 179 persons were arrested for terrorist charges related to Islam, as opposed to 349 for separatist terrorism charges, it is frankly quite unlikely that anyone in the EU would be the victim of a terrorist attack, and even more unlikely that it would be a Islamist related attack if they indeed were to become a victim of a terrorist attack.

And again, note that I did not equate him to Breivik because he was "concerned about Jihad". I pointed out that he did in fact appear to hold very similair views to him after he essentially wrote that Europeans have been naive about the dangers of Muslim immigrants and a hidden agenda amongst them, and that this have resulted in them becoming the subjects of Islamists who now rule their countries.
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-1 # FAR LEFT FANATICShippiepooter 2012-04-19 22:00
No you dont read the news.

Who runs Tower Hamlets council in East London?

No right wing incidents of terrorism then? What's Breivik?

People who practice gutter politics are never strong on facts.
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+1 # MrRyden 2012-04-19 23:21
Tower Hamlets London Borough Council currently composed of 41 Labour party members, 8 Conservative party members, 1 Respect party member and 1 Liberal Democrat member. Why are you wondering?

I didn't take up right-wing terrorist attacks because they simply did not exceed the Islam related attacks (1 right-wing attack, as oppose to 3 Islam) as much as left-wing, anarchist and separatist attacks, and therefore it was irrelevant in my arguing that Islamists should one of the least feared groups regarding terrorism in the EU. If you want me to, I would be glad to include the right-wing attacks.

I can't help noticing that you for some reason found it called for to write "Far Left Fanatics" in the title, in capital letters. May I ask why? Are you accusing me of belonging to a far-left party, or the Islamists you seemingly suggest are "running the show", so to speak in the EU? Also, are you accusing me of not being "strong on facts"? Please, elaborate.
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# RE: Mrhippiepooter 2012-11-10 09:44
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100186380/murziline-parchment-lutfur-rahmans-very-unconvincing-chief-crony/
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# RE: MrTMI 2012-11-09 22:45
Ryden, maybe you should actually gain some knowledge before you spout off?

Breivik comes from a country that knows no wars and barely even had a handful of murders PER YEAR. Until recent. The people are so docile they don't even know how to lie, or defend themselves should they have to. A perfect victim to vicious Muslim immigrants.

With the arrival of Muslim immigrants Norway now tackle over 90% of the ENTIRE nations rapes committed by a 2% MUSLIM population. Muslims also murder, harass, rob and threaten the Norweigian people. They have brought gun violence and their own little Afghanistan wherever they go. They attack gays, they beat or kill jews, they rob the locals and they groom children for sex slavery. This is the reality. And it has become such a huge problem it is out of control.

Let me ask you: if your daughter was raped by Muslims, if their life was made hell because the government decided to move Muslims to your area and they then begin targeting you by burning your house, robbing you, threatening Americans on a regular basis -- would you not have any balls to get angry and want to do something about it?

Breivik was frustrated with the weak socialist extremist Left government that did nothing to tackle these problems early on, but simply bent backwards to extremists and criminals. Meanwhile his country is being overrun by an extremist ideology that seeks to take it over and subdue them one day. That is all Muslims across Europe talk about nowadays: the day to come within the next 20-30 years when they will force, by violence, beheadings, rape, Europeans to bend and convert to Islam.

Fact is you know shit about Europe and the horrid transformation that has developed by allowing this particular creed, Muslims, to immigrate. You know nothing what people go through.

You should perhaps ask yourself how all the Buddhist Thai people feel who are going through ethnic cleansing on mass scale by Muslims forcing their presence into their country in the south. The media likes to distort reality and call them 'militant insurgents'. They are no militant insurgents. They are merely Muslims who demand Sharia law on everyone, including the Thai's.

Although Muslims make up only 4% of the total population they have not let that deter them from unprovoked attacks on Buddhists. They behead innocent Buddhist people on a daily basis. They burn them alive, cut the heads off children, tie people to train tracks and have them run over. Unless they convert to Islam. Muslims are now 35% of the most southern part of Thailand. And the effect shows. Not that many are alive to tell you how it all feels for them but I am sure you are the expert who can lecture them about human rights and equality!
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# Yes - and nohippiepooter 2012-11-10 09:51
Hi TMI. As an Englishman, I wholeheartedly endores your comments on the evil of Islam, but am disturbed by, shall I inadequately call it, your 'ambivalence' over Breivik.

Yeah, a lot of what he has said about the threat of Islam is true, but his actions were those of an utter, unqualified scumbag every inch as evil as the Muslims he condemns.

The Left across Europe, is using totalitarian means to silence criticism and exposure of their totalitarian ally Islam. However, we're still a democracy. I prefer Martin Luther King's example over Malcolm X's. And Malcolm X in no way compares to the unmitigated monster that Breivik is.
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+1 # RE: Religion As Public LawMike S 2012-04-22 16:52
Clearly, Islim should not be recognized as a religion in the US or an Western Nation. It is simply a conspiracy for world conquest that has been going on since Muhammed was the active leader. This hostile, evil, Satanic movement ought to be outlawed and their "colonists" in each country rounded up and removed back to where they came from. Citizens who have joined them should be exiled to the Middle East--or tried for treason. In the end, if the Western Civilization is to survive, there is going to have to be an all out war against Islam to the point of Unconditional Surrender, but them or us. We are ultimately going to have to kill an enormous number of Muslims before we will ever know peace in the West again. It may sound harsh, but it is the truth!
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# RE: RE: Religion As Public LawTMI 2012-11-09 22:52
I lived almost ten years around Islam. Not as a tourist, not in protected military camps, not in some foreign government issued diplomatic job where you live segregated from real society and the real world. I can tell you one thing: there are few evils in the world so extreme as Islam. Islam is identical to Nazism. I have never seen worse human evils executed under the legal endorsement by a religious ideology. No need to pretend that Islam and Nazism are separate which is why Hitler had such deep admiration for the Islamic ideology, and vice versa. Muslims were eager to help him fight and exterminate jews. That pretty much sums up the core ideology Islam stands for.
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+1 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of Girlskaren 2012-04-18 18:22
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR WORK
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+3 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsAshley Payne 2012-04-18 18:39
Mr Yon,

A depressing and despicable story and so sad for the girls made ill.
But despite this, I found your last line uplifting in an unexpected way. I hadn't really considered it from that point of view: A whole village worth of girls were in school- now that is good news, despite the attack.

Just try keeping 177 educated girls from doing what they want: I'd rather Terry Taliban tried that than me.... Speaking as a married man, its going to be rather hard work for the hardline islamofascists to keep their females beaten down forever!

Regards,
From a longtime reader.
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-1 # RE: Taliban Denounce Poisoning of GirlsMike Bishop 2012-04-18 22:00
Our troops are not their to help the girls, or to liberate the natives. We are there simply to destroy the Taliban, and render the place useless to stage attacks on the west, nothing more, nothing less. If that takes tactical nukes, so be it.
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# Dont believe a wordAlice 2012-04-20 04:16
Michael, ever heard of Al Taqiya? Be careful, these people are encouraged to lie and deceive the "Infidel."
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-1 # MrRyden 2012-04-20 08:54
Is that really appicable in this case? Isn't Taqiyya the practice of being allowed to deny your religion if it can spare your life, and mostly used by Shi'as (most Pashtus are Sunnis, and most Talibans are Pashtu)?
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+1 # RE: MrMike Bishop 2012-04-21 01:14
Quoting Ryden:
Is that really appicable in this case? Isn't Taqiyya the practice of being allowed to deny your religion if it can spare your life, and mostly used by Shi'as (most Pashtus are Sunnis, and most Talibans are Pashtu)?


No, that is not the case, they can lie to further their cause, and it's in the Koran, not specific to any sect.

Here are the facts:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
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-1 # MrRyden 2012-04-21 10:40
With all due respect, that website deosn't exactly look very un-biased.
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+1 # RE: MrMike Bishop 2012-04-21 19:49
If you catch them in a lie let me know.
Telling the truth is biased? Gee, I guess condemning NAZI ideology is biased too, and criminal law is biased against criminals, etc.
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-1 # MrRyden 2012-04-21 20:04
I assure you, if a Muslim lies to me and I can connect that to Al-Taqiyya, I will let you know.

No, those things aren't really biased. The webpage you directed me to seems rather biased though, and I find no reason for why I should believe that as opposed to papers contradicting it from universities such as Oxford and Yale.
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# RE: MrMike Bishop 2012-04-21 23:25
The website has links to 100's of news stories from around the globe. I think the actions prompted by a given ideology speak much more loudly than any paper written by a scholar, no matter how erudite. maybe you should watch some of the news shows coming out of the middle east, instead of reading papers from Oxford. Check out "The Middle East Research Institute", aka MEMRI.
As I said before, if you can find one single factual distortion or outright lie on thereligionofpe ace.com, let me know.
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-1 # MrRyden 2012-04-22 09:35
Now to be honest, the very link you provided concerning al-Taqiyya does come across as an outright lie, but I get the feeling you'll never ever agree with me, and I never with you.
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+1 # RE: MrMegRyan 2012-04-24 19:18
{A} problem concerning law and order {with respect to Muslims in dar al-harb} arises from an ancient Islamic legal principle — that of taqiyya, a word the root meaning of which is "to remain faithful" but which in effect means "dissimulation. " It has full Quranic authority (3:28 and 16:106) and allows the Muslim to conform outwardly to the requirements of unislamic or non-Islamic government, while inwardly "remaining faithful" to whatever he conceives to be proper Islam, while waiting for the tide to turn. (Hiskett, Some to Mecca Turn to Pray, 101.)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269; Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit."
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-1 # MisterMike S 2012-04-22 16:57
There can never be any compromise with Islam. It is not a religion and should not be recognized as such in any non-Muslim country. It is a conspiracy for world conquest--the enslavement of all free people. They can not be accomodated, they have to be defeated totally at the end of this current war on terror.
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+1 # RE: MisterTMI 2012-11-10 09:54
Islam is a DISEASE on the world. It doesn't mean all Muslims are bad -- but it means those who follow Islam are subject to major indoctrination and the risk of them being plain evil on behalf of the religion is huge. Once they leave Islam, we don't see Muslims abide by that kind of brutal behavior. Therefore, it is the religion which is the problem.
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