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Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)

22 November 2012

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-81 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)Jim Tuttle 2012-11-22 14:52
I really don't think that system should be readily available to the public at all. Just sayin'
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+48 # RE: RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)woodNfish 2012-11-22 19:04
That is just what our criminal government wants you to think.
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+29 # GO USABrad 2012-11-28 15:28
Its good to see that we can still develope cutting edge stuff here. I want one!!
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+7 # What, wounds are better??ChrisG 2012-11-24 16:34
At the advertised range, and being for non-moving targets in this iteration, I first though of how great it would be to get more venison with fewer wounded and suffering animals from missed or poorly placed shots. Eventually this will be improved to compensate for moving targets and have more data inputs for longer range and more weapon versatility, but will be priced squarely in the defense-budget range not the bad-guy range. The moose-limbs can do so much more harm with IEDs that your anti-gun, paranoid, big-government- save-me-please comments are beyond laughable.
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+6 # RE: What, wounds are better??EOD 2012-12-09 22:52
you are so correct. I was EOD in Vietnam and now with the advent of cell phones you can fire an IED from any distance or close up and personal!!
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0 # waste of technologyrocco 2012-12-10 14:44
You STILL have to acquire the target precisely to "tag" the target. Instead of pushing a buttom ("tagging" the target) at that point, why not jut PULL THE TRIGGER??????
Does this system adjust for windage?
Sorry, but I'm with Andy.
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0 # RE: RE: What, wounds are better??BS 2013-01-16 13:17
My old man was EOD in vietnam, you guys were some crazy sob's
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+1 # RE: RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)sillymonkeyvt 2012-12-03 17:45
Ok Obama.
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+5 # Remote duty ParamedicBrett Stokes 2012-12-09 04:55
Really Jim, who do you think should be readily available to? I don't remember the Constitution say who can and can't get what weapons.
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+2 # noneEOD 2012-12-09 22:47
Yes sir me obama
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+2 # RE: noneEOD 2012-12-09 22:55
the "yes sir me obama" was ment for Jim tuttles comment
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0 # Will it break the BankRay 2013-01-12 18:10
Any idea of cost?
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0 # RE: Will it break the BankAustin 2013-01-12 18:47
Quoting Ray:
Any idea of cost?


The rumored price back when they first showed their 'beta' test results was about $17k-$20k.

I noticed that they have a booth at SHOT Show next week. I'm gonna stop by and see what their retail pricing is gonna be at. Definitely too rich for my blood.

Then again, I did a transfer for a customer on a $12,000 Barrett M107-A1, and the suppressor (another $2k), so there are definitely guys out there who COULD afford it... :lol:
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0 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)matefrio 2014-01-28 16:45
Because criminals and terrorists go for solutions that cost over $20,000.000
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+28 # Concerned American CitizenAndy 2012-11-22 15:58
I'd still put my money on trained snipers.
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+3 # Sniping is More Than Shots on Target!Ruben 2012-12-09 19:49
Quoting Andy:
I'd still put my money on trained snipers.


Andy is absolutely correct. Putting rounds in the X-ring is NOT what professional snipers are about. Its largely collecting information for intelligence purposes, i.e. surveil the enemy and report back. Its about being in a concealed position and using commo to call in fire support. Its about being able to move into enemy territory undetected, operate undetected, and return undetected. With the current generation of precision rifles and incredible optics, any twit can hit the X-ring and they can probably do it consistently. That single skill does NOT make a sniper.
Marine Sniper Instructor, 1980-88
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0 # Tango down TimTango down Tim 2013-01-02 21:37
I would say that it would make a "B" sniper an "A" sniper
and an "A" sniper a part of history.
Sure beats old school shooting, still love the M14.
Just remember "aim small, miss small" always worked for me
thank's Mel for coining that.
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0 # Try paying attentionAustin 2013-01-09 18:16
Quoting rocco:
You STILL have to acquire the target precisely to "tag" the target. Instead of pushing a buttom ("tagging" the target) at that point, why not jut PULL THE TRIGGER??????
Does this system adjust for windage?
Sorry, but I'm with Andy.


Yes, the system adjusts for windage, and will actually track a moving target, once tagged. Tagging with a laser is MUCH easier than hitting with a bullet at 800+ yards. Don't believe me? Go take a laser pointer and a rifle to the range, and see which one is easier to touch a target with at 1000 yards.Quoting Andy:
I'd still put my money on trained snipers.


And where would you put your money between trained snipers with a Remington 700, vs trained snipers with this piece of hardware?

The tools don't make the man, but they can certainly make the man better at what he does!
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-21 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)RogerDane 2012-11-22 16:42
Mechanics will still play a big part. And, considering the .338 comment (distance 1200 yds), my off the shelf Savage 110 hits nicely at 1650 with basic dope. However 'if' a novice has the mechanics and can paint the target then perhaps Jim is right, might not want to get too many in 'anyone's' hands. Nice video...
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-49 # Sad that someone has made thisDub-L D 2012-11-22 19:23
What has become to the state of affairs when someone would create a weapon that anyone could use to become effective assassins. I realize the appeal of inventing the next "new great thing" in weaponry but if this gun falls in the wrong hands it could be disastrous.
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+8 # RE: Sad that someone has made thisMike Bishop 2012-11-23 18:08
That tired refrain has been repeated since the first time someone sharpened a stick.
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+1 # RE: RE: Sad that someone has made thiszip 2013-01-06 14:25
Quoting Mike Bishop:
That tired refrain has been repeated since the first time someone sharpened a stick.


Okay so if you don't agree with it, then why do we restrict who can use Nukes? Where do you draw your line as to who can have what?

If you do have a 'line', then you have to realize that people are different and they have differing views. While some people are okay with teenagers using this technology for fun others may not.

If you don't have a line then you are okay with Iran and every other country building and holding onto nukes.
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0 # Allthat2Guest 2013-03-07 05:42
What does this technology have to do with Iran or nukes? What a JACKASS!
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-8 # RE: Sad that someone has made thisBobW 2012-11-30 14:06
Well, I suppose there's a downside to the government not having a monopoly on such weaponry, but the Founding Fathers failed to see.
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+7 # RE: RE: Sad that someone has made thisAndrew 2012-12-09 05:05
Quoting BobW:
Well, I suppose there's a downside to the government not having a monopoly on such weaponry, but the Founding Fathers failed to see.


That's the upside the Founding Fathers INTENDED.
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+3 # it hasluke 2012-12-08 20:11
Quoting Dub-L D:
What has become to the state of affairs when someone would create a weapon that anyone could use to become effective assassins. I realize the appeal of inventing the next "new great thing" in weaponry but if this gun falls in the wrong hands it could be disastrous.

I think the the invention of the fire arm hundreds of years ago allowed everyone to be an effective assassin.
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+5 # RE: Sad that someone has made thisEOD 2012-12-09 22:57
so can a vehicle...if it used incorrectly
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0 # RE: RE: Sad that someone has made thiszip 2013-01-06 14:27
And we do take vehicles away from the psychos. We impound their cars, we take away their right from using one. Why not do the same for guns? Yes, I know it's an unpopular topic in this forum but why do you need an assisted sniper rifle to hunt deer?
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+1 # Let's make a dealAustin 2013-01-09 18:21
Quoting zip:
Quoting Mike Bishop:
That tired refrain has been repeated since the first time someone sharpened a stick.


Okay so if you don't agree with it, then why do we restrict who can use Nukes? Where do you draw your line as to who can have what?

If you do have a 'line', then you have to realize that people are different and they have differing views. While some people are okay with teenagers using this technology for fun others may not.

If you don't have a line then you are okay with Iran and every other country building and holding onto nukes.


I'll make you a deal. You get an international treaty that says that Governments aren't allowed to have these (just like with nukes), and I'll agree that peasantry shouldn't have them either.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If it's just to horrible a weapon for a peasant to have, it's CERTAINLY too horrible a weapon for the oligarchy to have.Quoting zip:
And we do take vehicles away from the psychos. We impound their cars, we take away their right from using one. Why not do the same for guns? Yes, I know it's an unpopular topic in this forum but why do you need an assisted sniper rifle to hunt deer?



Oh, so you're saying that it's reasonable to take away items from demonstrated criminals, but it's unreasonable to take things away from EVERYBODY on the off chance that they MIGHT become a criminal?

I TOTALL AGREE! So you don't take my guns away, when I haven't done anything wrong, and I won't take your car away when you haven't done anything wrong. Seems like a fair trade.
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0 # Allthat2Guest 2013-03-07 05:44
No really are you a moron or what? Who said anything about deer hunting. You are an IDIOT!
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+5 # RE: Sad that someone has made thisGale 2012-12-23 18:43
"The wrong hands" are the hands of the federal government, not the hands of the people.
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-2 # RE: Sad that someone has made thisThe Gunny 2013-01-04 15:22
If ANY GUN falls into the wrong hands it could be disastrous. 8)
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+1 # IMHOnvrpc 2013-01-05 13:33
It will only be disastous if you're the AH who needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice and in 2013 there are many on that list. I can think about five top dogs who could go by sunrise and I'd miss them like a hole in the head.
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+4 # not a true shootermark t 2012-11-22 20:22
the whole point of shooting is to get good, learn the range, the wind, elevations etc... I think this system takes the shooter away and leaves us with wannabes who cant shoot thinking theyre all hot stuff. I dont like it
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+7 # High Power MasterSpacegunner 2012-12-01 00:53
I just earned & received my Master Classification for High Power Rifle shooting. Master requires scores of 94-96.9% from standing, sitting & prone positions with open (peep & post/globe) sights without magnification. It took me over 4 years to go from Expert to Master. Hopefully, High Master (>98%) will come sooner, before my eyes give out.
While this system is "cool" (& expensive), I want to know that I can shoot - with or without technology.
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0 # KISSThinker 2012-12-10 09:00
Quoting Spacegunner:
I just earned & received my Master Classification for High Power Rifle shooting. Master requires scores of 94-96.9% from standing, sitting & prone positions with open (peep & post/globe) sights without magnification. It took me over 4 years to go from Expert to Master. Hopefully, High Master (>98%) will come sooner, before my eyes give out.
While this system is "cool" (& expensive), I want to know that I can shoot - with or without technology.


Why not shoot the damn target the FIRST time you get the sight on it, NOT wait, and hit it the second time. That is a waste of time there.
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+22 # SaviorF1rstangel 2012-11-22 21:30
Haters who deride this system are the same who said optics are cheating. Now even the almighty USMC never goes anyplace without lasers or reflex sights. Take that badguys!
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+15 # Take That Bad Guys!F1rstangel 2012-11-22 21:35
Those who scoff at this system are the same who derided optics, lasers and reflex sighting systems. Now even the vaunted USMC won't go near a battlefield without any of the forementioned that aid in making bad guys dead.
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+13 # RE: Take That Bad Guys!Lee 2012-11-22 22:58
Quoting F1rstangel:
Those who scoff at this system are the same who derided optics, lasers and reflex sighting systems. Now even the vaunted USMC won't go near a battlefield without any of the forementioned that aid in making bad guys dead.


Exactly. Reminds me of the Pope saying the crossbow should be outlawed (except against non-Christians) 800 years ago. Technology marches on.
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0 # RE: RE: Take That Bad Guys!zip 2013-01-06 14:31
Quoting Lee:
Exactly. Reminds me of the Pope saying the crossbow should be outlawed (except against non-Christians) 800 years ago. Technology marches on.


I know.. so silly. Just like the Treaty on the Non-Proliferati on of Nuclear Weapons. Who are we to say who can have what type of weapon?
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+14 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)Lee 2012-11-22 22:54
If you don't like this system you won't like what the next 30 years will bring: combat robots with human-level AI, directed energy weapons, metamaterials that bend light to render objects virtually invisible...
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+3 # RE: RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)Mike Bishop 2012-11-23 17:26
If 30 years brings us human level AI, another 30 will bring transhuman level AI and extinction.
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+4 # Mechanical overlordsironargonaut 2012-11-27 19:26
I for one welcome our robot overlords. ;-)
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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)Austin 2013-01-09 18:27
Actually, Moore's law pretty much assures that human-level AI in 30 years means 'transhuman' level AI in 31.

See you in 2044! :-*
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+8 # Does it work on moving targets?Glenn 2012-11-23 02:09
All well and good if you're shooting a metal plate on a range. How well does it work when the target is running across the field and climbing over walls?
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-3 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)SgtStriker 2012-11-23 04:42
Moderator ate my comment? Hmm.... When I attempt to sign in the site does not tell me if my info is wrong or that I am signed in.....
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+17 # Cost?Hercdriver 2012-11-23 08:39
Cabela's already lists night vision scopes in their catalogue for around five grand. Wonder what the price tag will be on this thing?

This thing should send Diane Feinstein into apoplexy.
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+7 # bosseli8 2012-11-25 17:38
We can only hope that this is true.along with Boxer
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+3 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a SniperMisha 2012-11-23 09:14
So its like a transmission brake and delay box from bracket drag racing. I still shoot bullseye with iron sights, because i'm in competition with only myself. And i use an iPod for dope because i haven't put the time in to memorize the charts and i don't plink with a spotter. But i can fake my body into a flinch response like the best of them. ""His computer's off. Luke, you switched off your targeting computer. What's wrong?" Noble is for cowboy movies. Then again, i don't see a place for this in the sportsman/hunti ng side of things. Elk and moose don't shoot back.
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+5 # yeah, rightDerek 2012-11-23 20:51
I have two thoughts about this story: First, I have serious doubts that this system can be made to function reliably under field conditions. Second (and more to the point) something like this can never replace a trained, experienced shooter. Period.
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+1 # RE: yeah, rightAustin 2013-01-09 18:37
Yeah, and archers can never replace a trained swordsman on the field of battle, and an abacus could never be replaced by a factoring machine. :D

And it's super-important that you learn long-division, because you'll NEVER have a calculator with you everywhere you go... :lol:

Have you been living under a rock? Have you missed the past 50 years of technology? 30 years ago, if I'd told you I would have, in my pocket, a device which could do things that million-dollar computer systems that even UNIVERSITIES didn't have, that I could use it to wirelessly telephone anybody, from virtually anywhere in the country (even out hiking)--and that I didn't actually have to KNOW the phone number of any of my friends, in order to effortlessly call them with the press of 1-2 buttons--and that I'd purchase it for about a day's wage, you'd have fallen out of your chair.

Welcome to 2013.
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+4 # Yeah, but...Hercdriver 2012-11-25 03:02
Quoting Derek:
I have two thoughts about this story: First, I have serious doubts that this system can be made to function reliably under field conditions. Second (and more to the point) something like this can never replace a trained, experienced shooter. Period.


Just think what an experienced shooter can do with this. There are millions out here.
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+2 # In other words...Hercdriver 2012-11-25 03:06
The WW I Spad has evolved into the F-22. This system will be continuously tested and improved. That is only logical. So if it can't currently survive field conditions, which is speculative, it eventually will be able to.
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+4 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)fidalgoman 2012-11-25 05:29
Interesting but I wonder how it will work against moving targets, especially those ducking behind cover. Like digital cameras I suppose the technology will surpass the man, in most cases.
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-5 # ownerDutchUncle 2012-11-25 15:45
What is not said here is that Muslim groups across the country, some of which are already training their follwers to kill Americans, (check in out for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr8FexoNO1M) have limitless funding and can afford to buy these in large lots. As an average citizen we can not. Scary.
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+12 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)duh 2012-11-26 08:25
Even with this system one would not be a sniper, not by a long shot.
It would make somebody an unskilled sharpshooter, true. But not a sniper. A Sniper is somebody who is a sharpshooter and also trained to stalk his target in enemy territory, without being detected.

No gizmo on a rifle will give somebody that ability...
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+3 # Mr.Tim 2012-11-26 13:26
Does this work on a MOVING target?
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0 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)Donald J. Houser 2012-11-28 05:14
First of all you've to get the bad guys into your
line of sight. Not always easy to do. Take your
shot without hesitation when it's in our view.
Humans are constantly moving.
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-2 # What part of "Don't ShootF1rstangel 2012-11-28 21:21
Until you know what you're shooting at" don't you understand? The target moves either wait until target stops or use Kentucky windage.
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+1 # Senior PatriotFRANKO K. 2012-11-30 12:31
In the future our best militia may need many of these - most others will just need our 30-06's etc. making sure we stock up on ammo asap.
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press." -- Thomas Jefferson
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0 # High Power MasterSpacegunner 2012-12-01 01:02
Quoting Spacegunner:
I just earned & received my Master Classification for High Power Rifle shooting. Master requires scores of 94-96.9% from standing, sitting & prone positions with open (peep & post/globe) sights without magnification. It took me over 4 years to go from Expert to Master. Hopefully, High Master (>97%) will come sooner, before my eyes give out.
While this system is "cool" (& expensive), I want to know that I can shoot - with or without technology.

Typo: High Master is >97%
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+2 # Sorry 'bout that!F1rstangel 2012-12-01 19:49
Like the Red Coats when the Colonials switched tactics and invented Guerrilla warfare and the Samurai with the adaptation of Gunpowder; face it gents! Some waddy dopes your hides-hole; you are dead! Your parents, friends and country WILL grieve & no one will cry: "not fair"! Get over yourself. Time marches on, and with it technology. Adapt or die! Get over it.
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-10 # Stop selling these devicesBuckles 2012-12-02 15:02
If you are not in the military or police and you want a sniper scope, you must be a bad guy/gal. Why are we fostering crime by publishing this information and making these devices available to the public? They are good but have limited application. This is the type of thing that Obama and his gang will glom on and use to foster their position on banning firearms. I can't see any good that could come from having such a device available to the public or by donating cash to pursue that effort. Sorry to the manufacturers and the guy in the short film, but this is reality. I am confident that the technology can be used in some other type of device which does not suggest that everyone with a gun is a bad guy. Thanks.
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-3 # Pretty bold statementCorey 2012-12-10 08:28
As an active duty marine scout sniper I laugh at claims such as these. Your claim that "Now everyone can be a sniper" suggests that shooting is the only thing that snipers are about. You are obviously ignorant to the facts of what we really do. Shooting is about 10% of what snipers do. In a given amount of time, a monkey can be trained to shoot. Get over yourself and your system. I'm by now saying it isn't an interesting system, but your claim is insulting as much as it is false. Guided trigger, so basically trigger control and other fundamentals don't matter? As long as the trigger gets pulled and then the weapon is manipulated back on target, the weapon will fire the shot for you? hahahahahahahah ahahahhahaha. Yup, thats what being a sniper is all about. Good luck getting a reputable sniper to back your claims.
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-1 # Friendly Neighborhood GunsmithPeter M. Cromwell 2012-12-19 13:50
Um, how is pressing a button to "tag the target" all that different than pressing a decent trigger to - ahem - "tag" the target??
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0 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)TheRightView 2012-12-23 14:45
The right to bear arms is based on our right to defend ourselves. If we are invaded, or if our so-called government officials come after us as is happening in Syria, they will not come with hand guns. We have the right to arm ourselves with whatever weaponry is available to a potential foe. Otherwise, we are limited to our defense. As far as our Snipers, they're some of our BEST! And there is NO substitute for them and the training and expertese they have mastered
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0 # Someone Gets Itnvrpc 2013-01-05 13:27
I was wondering when someone in this country actually understood the reason the second amendment is here. It has nothing to do with hunting what so ever, nothing.Gun control has absolutely nothing to do with crime control, but has everything to do with people control. It’s an absolute path to Socialism, slavery, taxation without representation and assured distribution of your wealth to ensure all those who do nothing obtain everything they need at your expense.


http://guncontroltheultimateagenda.blogspot.com/
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+1 # RE: Now Everyone Can be a Sniper (if this works)Tom Mysiewicz 2012-12-28 21:50
Windage & temperature (and shooting position) can also affect accuracy. Also the number of grains of powder and the weight and configuration of the bullet.
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-5 # retired E-7steven wood 2012-12-31 03:32
I strongly appose the idea of commercial availability. U.S. military only. Great concept and if you hadn't developed it, someone else would have. Consider the consequences of commercial sale.
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+1 # RE: retired E-7nvrpc 2013-01-03 20:18
What consequences? Not if the person that is using it shots indiscriminatel y. Anyone with a brain should only take a shot if they have identified their mark correctly. There most definately is a need for these typs of weapons in the average citizen hands, not just the police and military.
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-2 # RE: RE: retired E-7zip 2013-01-06 14:37
Quoting nvrpc:
There most definately is a need for these typs of weapons in the average citizen hands, not just the police and military.


Can you give me a couple of reasons why? Not because I'm against it but because I'm genuinely curious. The only reason why I can think of is that the government goes crazy and starts killing all its citizens and you need to fight fire with fire so the technology will level the playing field? Or we the movie Red Dawn comes to fruition and we need these guns?

While having a local militia is a good idea, arming them to the teeth is not due to lack of discipline, order and perhaps a misplaced sense of justice.

That aside, I think the tech is well done. Good job.

But, my question to you still stands:

Can you give me a couple of reasons why this gun should allowed to the average citizen?
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+1 # Price Pleasenvrpc 2013-01-03 20:15
How do I get on the list to buy one. What wil it cost me. I have a need for this type of weapon. Thanks
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+1 # plumberbill redmon 2013-01-04 00:45
send me cost .would like one.
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0 # LeeLee Vincent 2013-01-06 05:37
As far as moving targets, targets being behind cover, what about the XM25?
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0 # Sniper TrainingGuest 2013-03-02 09:53
Instead of paying 20k for this I will get you a quality rifle/optics for 5k and you can pay me 5k to shoot it! Half-price deal!
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