MEDEVACmatters.org

02 April 2012

The Army continues to insist that certain helicopters in Afghanistan must wear Red Crosses to abide by Geneva Conventions.  This is untrue.  There is no requirement to wear Red Crosses in combat.  At cost of troops’ lives, the Army uses these Red Crosses as a tool in bureaucratic infighting about which generals control which helicopters.  And so a power struggle between generals unfolds at cost of the blood of American sons and daughters.  The above facts have been demonstrated beyond dispute.

That top Army generals are being deceptive about matters as minimal and obvious as the Red Cross bodes ill for their credibility about the Afghan war.  The war is being lost.  But that’s another story.

This excellent website studies in detail many issues surrounding MEDEVAC helicopters in Afghanistan:

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To download this as a pdf please click here.

The original posting of this article can be found here at MEDEVACmatters.org

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+1 # Geneva Conventions BogTB 2012-04-02 17:13
It always amazes how nincompoops consistently drag out the Geneva Conventions whenever it seems handy and then totally misquote and actually lie about same!, i.e. applying those rules meant for State sponsored armies to rag-tag murdering criminals like the Taliban and other such defilers of the human race!
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# state sponsored armiesMr. shah 2012-04-16 08:15
These were indeed USA Sponsored & Pampered Army in soviet era.
Every one knows IT?
So i think Geneva Conv. is valid this time also as is it was valid in soviet era.
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+2 # Free RidesFrank 2012-04-02 17:49
Lets give the high ranking Army Brass and Congress men rides into a Dustoff situation and see if it sheds any light on the subject for them. The American public is finally beginning to understand why this Government fails to act on issues. We had problems back in the 50's 60's and 70's but never like this. It's down right criminal and someone should be swinging for poor judgement.
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+2 # RE: MEDEVACmatters. orgHeywood Jablomi 2012-04-02 20:20
Disgusting!

Military politicians are exceeded in their grotesquery only by their civilian masters.

But this is the thing: they are on a continuum that ends in treason.

Where do they cross the line?

And what do we, as a people, do about them?
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+1 # SunlightMEDEVACmatters 2012-04-03 00:03
I believe that we have a duty to the men and women in uniform to bring information like this to light and see that it is widely disseminated.

What if anything happens to people's careers is not my concern. I just want there to be a change in the management and oversight of MEDEVAC so unnecessary deaths are avoided in the future.

If you want to help:
- write letters to your local newspaper and include the MEDEVACmatters. org URL
- write letters to people on the Armed Services Committees in Congress. Sample letters and addresses for members are on the MEDEVACmatters. org site
- point us toward additional **credible and verifiable evidence** of the failure of leadership regarding MEDEVAC

When else do you have an opportunity to save the lives of American heroes? Take action - today.
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+4 # RE: MEDEVACmatters. orgJim Karthaus 2012-04-02 21:25
Is there no leadership in the Army or this corrupt inept administration? The USAF Pedro's have proved that it can be done with existing equipment and there is no excuse for the Army lieing to the American public and Congress. These Generals should be sacked and jailed in Leavenworth for manslaughter. At this point the Taliban have more credibility!
The sickening state of the US media is alarming and unprecedented. Since Obama has taken office, It is almost heresy to call this Administration on anything. It is a sad day when US citizens have to listen to foreign media to find out the truth about what is going on in their own country. The BBC and Al Jazeera often carry the truth when the US media either decides to lie with impunity or not report the news at all. There is a major war going on on our own border yet not one news organization is covering it?
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+2 # RE: MEDEVACmatters. orgwlbryce 2012-04-03 01:27
Michael, you have it right. It was not the crosses but the fact the units were destroyed by the conversions to CAB control. I saw it happen and it was a big reason to get out.
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+3 # RE: MEDEVACmatters. orgMare 2012-04-03 10:49
Keep up the good work Michael, my son just came home from Afganistan, he said you are making a difference, he saw a Medevac with the red crosses removed, and they were putting guns on it.
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# MEDEVACmatters. orgW.R.Monger 2012-04-06 22:11
Back in the 80's I was a CH-47 Chinook Air Crewman and the unit I was assigned to originally was a Medevac unit. Now I see that they, the Army are using UH-60's for the job, why have they gone away from the tried and true Chinooks? It can surpass the Blackhawk (I was a crewman in those in the late 90's in the ANG) in altitude and load capacity. When the 47's were in use as a Medevac we armed them to the teeth and never had a single mark that said we were an easy target, when did this unarmed flying target policy start? For the last 4 years that I was enlisted I was an Army Scout and we had "embedded" medics who initially would not take up an M16 or other "offensive" weapon to save their own life. When they joined us we would make sure that in a pinch they would grab even an entrenching tool if necessary to fight with us as we fought with them. I learned that somewhere along the line the Medics were told they couldn't use "offensive" weapons and were relegated to pistols as a last ditch defense. This was absurd! And so is sending in unarmed Helos! I had heard in 'Nam the "Guns A Go Go" had a cross on them but were anything but a mercy lift so where does it say that we have to live and die by these chivalrous rules when they really don't exist?!? Is it the pilots who won’t go into these areas? I know it isn’t the air crewman because every one of them I have ever known would fly into hell to retrieve one of our own or any wounded for that matter. Where is the disconnect? Why can we not just put an M2 .50 cal gunner on both sides and on the ramp of a Chinook and use them for medevac rather than Blackhawks?
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# using chinookMr. shah 2012-04-16 08:23
Use chinook without gunships & Make it fall or let the brave men die in those tin cans when combating just 2 PKMBs from Ground(let alone RPGs).
Whaaat Bright Idea...Brillian t!
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# using chinookMr. shah 2012-04-16 08:23
Use chinook without gunships & Make it fall or let the brave men die in those tin cans when combating just 2 PKMBs from Ground(let alone RPGs).
Whaaat Bright Idea...Brillian t!
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