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Iranian Madmen Preparing to Play Obama like a Fiddle

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21 March 2009

It's almost certainly true that most Americans want to see President Obama succeed in making peace with Iran.  The prospect seems sadly laughable, though.  Not with the current Iranian leadership.  Everything about them speaks of deceit and treachery.  Some people are just bad, mad, or both.

If given a chance, those madmen will play Barack Obama like a fiddle.

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    Paul S. · 9 years ago
    John Bolton pointed out recently that when Obama proclaimed during the campaign that Iran was a tiny country that posed no threat---to the United States---he revealed how little he appreciated the growing threat within Iran's expanding sphere of influence.
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    Sean Ellis · 9 years ago
    All you have to do is browse the Headlines to get a sense of what the initial affect of "the New American Goodwill Diplomacy" is. Anybody that is old enough to remember the Carter Presidency will be having serious Deja View. The initial IMMATURE, NAIVE, overtures of this new government has been met with nothing but hard lines as the enemies of America ratchet up their game plans. We will leave Israel on their own in the cold, let the Southern Hemisphere become the playground of Socialist Dictators and Moscow, watch as Old Europe takes advantage (of the man they wanted to be President) and sticks a knife in our back as things get tough. Does anybody in this new Cabinet even know any American History or even World History, or maybe even played a game of Chess?
    All I pray for is that maybe we will get lucky again and before its too late that a real, mature, wise, Leader will be elected who can hopefully repair the damage once again.
    I will say one more thing. It sadly is a fact that will continue to be borne out. O.B.A.M.A. = "One Big Ass Mistake America"
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    toxicseagull · 9 years ago
    [quote]The initial IMMATURE, NAIVE, overtures of this new government has been met with nothing but hard lines as the enemies of America ratchet up their game plans.[/quote]
    i suggest you watch a interesting three parter of documentaries called "Iran and the West", highly informative with Ex-Presidents of the USA and Iran, as well as diplomats and secretaries of state and of foreign policy for Europe, the middle east, Russia and Iran. it highlights issues on both sides and you will soon realise former "hardline" policies of diplomatic isolation of the USA's ideological enemies actually is one of the main problems with America not being able to influence the country's it needs too the most. when issues arise, and they often have, the US must deal through the UN or Europe, increasing misunderstandings, reaction time and vital intellegence that could be gained from a more personal relationship at diplomatic levels.

    [quote]We will leave Israel on their own in the cold[/quote]
    they have controlled how you vote in the diplomatic circle, and are quite capable of standing on their own feet, they are the premier force in the region. despite that do you have any proof of this from a independent source? i can only find articles by panicked jews or far right scaremongering before the election, all based on one interview where it admit this "abandoning of isreal" has been happening for years, which would place it under the clinton or bush administrations.

    [quote]let the Southern Hemisphere become the playground of Socialist Dictators and Moscow[/quote]
    proof? currently the only socialist powers in the southern hemisphere that have any sort of hegemony gained power in the two previous administrations. i would be more worried with china's influence in africa if im honest. Moscow is going through postures that indicate internal trouble, remember the maxim "all politics is internal politics", they may be a significant threat in 20 years, but obama will be gone by then and you have little power over them anyway within their sphere as georgia showed.

    [quote]watch as Old Europe takes advantage and sticks a knife in our back as things get tough[/quote]
    the USA has always looked after itself first, why do you not expect Europe to do the same?
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    Sean Ellis · 9 years ago
    No point in trying to get into an argument over my views. Its obvious that we have fundamentally different views and political ideology. I do not beleve this board is really for arguments as it will do little to change either of our minds. Rather than refute you or defend my statements I would like to clarify our differences. This Presidency will be viewed and judged from the historical perspective of the future and like the Carter years and the Reagan years it will most likely be at odds with the general view at the time of their terms.

    Carter was viewed at his time as being pragmatic, having a higher intellectual understanding, more pure, honest and that philosophy was going to make a difference in dealing with our enemies.

    Reagan on the other hand was viewed as an old, out of touch, dunderhead who was going to get the country in a nuclear war because of his not having the smarts to deal with our enemies diplomatically.

    In retrospect,I believe the Carter years are viewed as an unmitigated disater, (both domestically and in foriegn relations). We are still recovering from the blunders in Central America, and the Middle East while the Reagan years cleaned up many other issues created at this time. I know the one thing that is considered a success is the Sadat overture to Israel but I don't think most people give all the credit to Carter as it just happended to be on his watch and was a great opportunity for him despite his misteps with Arafat.

    It is amazing how the view of Reagan's time has changed much to the chagrin of most of the media, He is now given credit for many things that we take for granted. I could list many of them but I think it would just start a flame war. Suffice it to say that it proved "Peace through Strength".

    I will conclude that while I would be thrilled if Obama's approach meant that our enemies became friends and it brought security and peace to us, I know from history that is not likely to happen from his philosophy.

    The analogy to that would be the playgrounds of our youth. Some kids are giving a boy a hard time. He is a good looking, smart, strong guy and they are obviously jealous of him. He is a good guy and always tries to reason with people which is not a bad trait. He starts off by trying to be diplomatic, reasoning with them, and he lifts up his hands and says "I don't want to fight you. It will do no good for any of us. Lets be friends". At this time one of the kids takes the opportunity to knee him in the nuts while the others jump on him.
    Sure this analogy may be simplistic but I believe it shows there is evil in the world and that evil hates us for our goodness. While some may not think America is fundamentally "good" and that my view is actually naive I just will state that our history proves out my belief even if it has some embarrassing history in it. Fundamentally, America is a force for good and it takes strength, and the use of force to keep it from getting kicked in the nuts!
    Sorry for the long post or the arguing nature of it.
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    Toxicseagull · 9 years ago
    [quote]No point in trying to get into an argument over my views. Its obvious that we have fundamentally different views and political ideology. I do not beleve this board is really for arguments as it will do little to change either of our minds[/quote]
    fair enough, however you do seem to be making very direct assertions without giving reasoning and several of your comments do seem to be misinformed, not from a ideological standpoint, but a factual and situational awareness one from what we understand at the moment.

    i agree hindsight is a huge benefit to anyone and views can change, maybe remember however that it can also be manipulated, if not by external forces, then by personal ones, including a simple old rose tint. however i cant particularly comment on your assertions as you give no defining points, simply a overview.

    [quote]I will conclude that while I would be thrilled if Obama's approach meant that our enemies became friends and it brought security and peace to us, I know from history that is not likely to happen from his philosophy.[/quote]
    i think what is misunderstood is that opening diplomatic relations means one side will become a "dog". i mearly think Obama (and i would have said this about bush as well if he did it) is wise to be able to officially contact directly a major power in the region, especially one that is intertwined so much with america's interests there.

    [quote]I just will state that our history proves out my belief even if it has some embarrassing history in it.[/quote]
    which part of history?
    that is a bold statement to make if im honest. "good" is completely subjective for a start, and a unspoken meaning would be "good for america or parts of america", which isnt by definition "good" for the world or even a majority for human kind. it is also curious that many of USA's ideological enemies, past and present believe what they are doing is "good" for a certain demographic or country. same can be said of its allies naturally.

    On Carter, im too young to remember his presidency. i do however agree with his current commentary on the US/British relationship at the start of the Iraq war.

    still. thank you for the reply, i do think one of the best things about Yon's coverage is that it interests people from different tracks of life. in a completely selfish idea, i cant wait for him to get back on the ground.
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    PeteDawg · 9 years ago
    Mr Obama's taped message to Iran was an embarrassment. What's the name of the teleprompter that is advising this man? He's already been played by the Russians and Putin. Why wouldn't the little hairy madman from Persia get his chance to play our Celebrity in Chief? In my opinion, in dealing with countries, they should either love us, respect us or fear us. It's apparent Iran doesn't fall into any of these categories.
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    Irish · 9 years ago
    To 'Sean' and 'Toxicseagull': Thank you both for making efforts to engage in a more civilized discussion than might be found on many of these boards. As both of you have pointed out, hindsight is a helluva thing.

    In relation to America's current situation, the more we realize that all is not immediately apparent, the better we are served in our perspective of this complex foreign affairs situation. I have really enjoyed reading Michael's dispatches; first and foremost because he has made such an effort to transcend the political acrimony that colors so much of the American public's discussions of war and (inter)national security, but also for his conviction in simply reporting the situation on the ground as he (a very capable and perceptive man) sees it.

    Thus, it's discouraging for me to see so much evidence of heavy-handed and antagonistic discourse, from both sides, cropping up on the forums and mitigating the truly insightful and ultimately productive nature of his dispatches.

    I recognize that there are very real and valid differences of opinion among Americans regarding America's military endeavors worldwide but one thing that got me to return to this site time and again was the absence of the obnoxious commentaries ever-present on the cable networks---MSNBC, FOX News, etc.----Most of the people here are upset and exhausted with the partisan reporting we've had thrown at us from conventional media outlets. So to anyone commenting here, I beg that you forgo the token phrases learned from lesser intellects and attempt to live up to Michael's example of more critical and unbiased observation. It's hard when so many outside forces work to coerce our opinions for less than honorable ends but I take some comfort when I think that I've found one arena on the internet where people are gathered to look more critically and carefully at the matters that concern us most.

    Nothing is black and white.

    Michael proves that on an almost daily basis. I challenge everyone reading his hard won correspondence and taking the time to comment on it to rise nobly and make earnest efforts to understand America's undertakings fully and to strive towards fostering nuanced, multi-faceted, and (most importantly) difficult discourse, that is necessary. United We Stand; a phrase that has been uttered to the point of meaninglessness but is of ultimate importance as we work to guard the safety of all free people.
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    Tim Doss · 9 years ago
    Since I am a republican, I disagree with almost everything OBAMA, especially after the last 60 days, and the statements he has made regarding Iran. This man appears to be the most naive 48 year old US citizen since WWII. Anyone politician who thinks they can talk to the government of Iran, and then beleive anything they say, should have their head examined, RESIGN from elected office, and change their name to JIMMY CARTER, the US president responsible for the middle eastern fiasco. Dealing with rouge nations are like dealing with a pet dog, or young child. They respect strength and direction, and will respond to kind, but FIRM direction, and will eat you if show any sign of weakness or fear. US troops, are the most compassionate, kind, and can be dangerous men on the face of the earth. That is the message that should be given to Iran. Send John Bolton as ambassador, and let him whisper sweet knowthings in Iran's ear, telling the people of Iran we respect and want to help them join the world community, but they need to change their own government to do their part.
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    Sean Ellis · 9 years ago
    While Defending my statements one by one because you have called some of them into question could easily be done, I don't need to write a discourse defending them. I can quote news about the situation with Israel, Hamas, Russia, Venezuela, & so-on and so-forth, but it will not prove anything to someone who doesn't agree.
    Your Statement "you do seem to be making very direct assertions without giving reasoning and several of your comments do seem to be misinformed, not from a ideological standpoint, but a factual and situational awareness one from what we understand at the moment" shows that you believe your opinion lines up with the general consensus, therefore it is the truth, and trumps what I state. I would say "fair enough" but that would be contrived just to show that I am a fair person. The fact is I really do not give your position credence. Although it sounds reasonable/logical and some of the "smartest people in the room" believe it, history does and will not bear it out. Please see my following post for clarification
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    Sean Ellis · 9 years ago
    Here's food for thought. One is a statement of fact that history does back up and the other is Ideological. I doubt you will agree with them.

    1) The previous policies were effective in protecting America! Since 911, we have not been subjected to a foreign terrorist attack on American soil. If you compare that to the previous 8 years, it is an amazing fact and one that cannot be disputed. Of course, Not dealing directly with rouge nations or nations that support terrorists, Preemption, dealing with problem countries with strength, etc., etc., has to be partially credited for this record.
    Now we are off trying this new approach of being more diplomatic, reasonable, civilized have you, and civilized people believe it is the logical way to go. I hate to say it, and I dearly pray it doesn't bear true but I believe this will invite many actions that will show it to be a terribly stupid, naive, policy. History will judge once again.

    2) The other thing that needs to be defended is my statement about America being basically "good" and a "force for good" in the world. "Good" is not subjective. Unfortunately, Moral relativism has made many Americans doubt if we are indeed a good country. Sure we do things in our best interests but that doesn't mean that we are the same as the totalitarian religious regime in Iran, or the terrorists of Hamas, or even "the not so free" Russia. Our history proves that we are a force for good . America has raised its standard of living through capitalism and in doing so has raised the rest of the World with it, America has not conquered, raped, pillaged, plundered other countries for its benefit no matter how many people (who want to bring us down) say it. To equate America with enemies that show they are evil is a form of psychological guilt disorder. Empathizing with terrorists and madmen clouds reasonable judgment. N. Korea starves its people, China forces abortions, jails/tortures dissidents, Hamas targets civilians and shields itself with its own civilians. Russia kills journalists, consumes private businesses, and Iran is a Religious, Totalitarian, regime who does not tolerate any discourse, actively supports terrorism, and is as brutal as any Fascist regime in history if the truth was told. America has kept these other countries from showing what an evil country, acting in its own selfish interest, can do. How can anyone equate America, even with her faults, with these countries.

    Japan, Europe, Germany, the Marshall plan, S. Korea, Taiwan, the fall of the Iron Curtain, support of Russia after the fall, Liberia, Central America time and time again, and many, many, more. These are all things that while maybe in our best interests showed we are a force for good in the world. And even though many decry it as an injustice, Iraq will be added to that list. America did not go ROMAN and take over the Middle-East for Oil. It protected its interests and did it in moral, just way.

    Just look at our public discourse over torturing. We are debating whether water-boarding is torture and whether that is moral. We are not skinning live people, dropping them into meat grinders like the Hussein's. Blinding people, mutilating them, ripping off all their nails, ruining them. That is torture and other evil countries do it. I am not saying that we are perfect but we are morally, conscientiously deciding what constitutes torture and that once again proves my point about being "good". Iran, on the other hand, is actively plotting the destruction of a Democratic country (and ours as well) and if people do not believe that then they do not take them at their word. (for proof just Google "Iran + death to America").
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    Sean Ellis · 9 years ago
    that we believe Mr. Yon to be one of the finest war correspondents of our time. Not to hog this thread but Up until this time I had never commented in this forum and rarely in any other but now that I have I do not want to be remiss in giving Kudos to Michael Yon. When I found him during the earlier part of Iraq he was with the "Deuce Four" & I was amazed and enthralled with his unbiased, spot-on coverage as well as his photography. Being a news junkie I was so disgusted with the modern medias manipulation of current events and he was such an honest contrast. I believe his voice is just as important today as it was then and we should all support him when we can. I have the utmost respect an admiration of him and the way he goes about his business.
    Thank You Michael Yon.

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