Michael's Dispatches

From the White House: New INFOSEC Guidelines

05 May 2011

President Obama campaigned on a platform of Government transparency.  To his credit, he has taken steps in that direction, such as lifting the ban on photographing flagged draped coffins returning from the wars.  Again, to his credit, he made it clear that Americans should not be shielded from the horrors of war.  Paradoxically, yesterday, he banned the release of photos of the body of Osama bin Laden. 

The White House has today issued these new INFOSEC guidelines, effective Monday, 09 May 2011.

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GoTUNSA has issued a new classification schedule.  All documents used by GoTUNSA (see appendix and definitions) are to use this classification system beginning 09 May 2011.

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Comments   

 
# Wesley 2011-05-05 16:41
would appreciate that the photo wouldn't do a thing to verify his death only serve to anger even bolster OBL supporters.. Why give them that tool?
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# A&N 2011-05-05 16:43
The decision not to show the photos of a dead Bin Laden is not Mr. Obama's to make. It was "we the people" who were attacked on 9/11. It is our sons and fathers and husbands fighting and sometimes dying to protect us from the evils of this devil Bin Laden. We have seen our brethren jump from windows to their deaths. We have seen our men hanging from bridges, drug through streets with no honor, beheaded and blown up....With our eyes we have seen these things and suffered these losses. Have we the people no say, are we being so disrespected by this man who calls himself our president, that we cannot determine for ourselves if we want to see this enemy of our souls laying dead? Mr. Obama delivers us nothing but pain. He is a coward of a man and in fact...he must hate us much to do this thing to us.
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# graylady 2011-05-05 16:48
You forgot UNCLASSIFLIED.
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# Wesley 2011-05-05 16:50
I am part of "we the people" and I don't share you point of view and I know a lot of folks who do and dont... They are "we the people" as well.. That doesn't negate your post but you can't really think you speak for "we the people"...
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# Steve Gough 2011-05-05 16:55
At some unknown point a group of spymasters more or less came up to Obama while he was on the 9th tee, dropped a manila envelope in his golf cart and more or less said:

"We have him and not only that but we've already planned the raid, trained the team, given them their flying orders and right now ten thousand tons of deadly American kick ass is silently winging towards Bin Laden's little love nest in brand new stealth shit under the call-sign 'Cockpunch'.
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# Valerie 2011-05-05 16:56
Daily am amazed to realize, from BHO's actions/words, the depth of contempt for the intelligence of the average citizen held by him and his slick czars/admin. Contrary to BHO's obvious beliefs, WE DO UNDERSTAND. Perhaps 2012 will prove the vote does count (minus dead people and ACORN) and and rid us of this President....th en it's to work we go to right the wrongs he has wrought upon us. GO USA and THANK YOU SEALS! Michael Yon as well!!!!
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# Steve Gough 2011-05-05 16:57
So you have two options... sign this document approving our actions, come in the TV room with us and watch the home team put the enemy quarterback in the morgue, then you get to do what you do best... go on TV and make some silly speech using the word 'I' a lot and take all the political credit... or you can tell us to leave you alone and get out of your office, that you won't be a party to assassination and we will pretty much just go do it anyway, leak it to the press and take all the credit ourselves... and maybe even mention Bush a few times. After all, we did all the leg work on this one... we've been running this guy down for ten years. You've been here, what, two of that? We rubber hosed the right guys, got the right intel, trained the right men and have wormsign the likes of which god has never seen bearing down on that fucker. So put down your little toy, grab your big boy pen and hop on board for the big win."
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# John Schofield 2011-05-05 17:00
So regrettable that reports emanating from The White House are replete with contradictions. This, of itself, is like to play into the hands of enemies, and will do little, if anything,to encourage Pakistan to assist in apprehending senior associates of Osama residing in tha tcountry. It's really remarkable how the Seals, superbly trained as they are, could have managed to overcome the loss of a Black Hawk, carry out their assigned task and bring back a variety of items which, on the face of it, may prove to be of huge value when analyzed. I speak as a Brit who has a genuine admiration for the American people and who pokes friendly fun at their gung-ho ways even as he salutes their honesty of purpose and their optimistic 'can-do' approach to things. They took Omaha Beach in the face of truly horrible conditions; and they have done so many good, worthy things since those days.
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# Jim,MtnViewCA,USA 2011-05-05 17:01
There are a wealth of ironies:
Didn't BHO support those who insisted on getting photos of returning American war dead, at least in part to build opposition to the war?
Is BHO our president or does he represent the Muslims? Why does he rank their sensibilities first, then consider ours later?
How about all the media who published stories (later revealed to be false) of Koran flushing?
How about all the photos of Abu Graib? Did BHO fight to suppress them?
A wealth of ironies.
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# vanessa 2011-05-05 17:06
Why would such flimsy evidence as a photograph change anything? Photographs will always be suspect to whatever cause the suspicion benefits (See also: Birther Movement)

It's disingenuous to promote that Obama will not show the image just because it's graphic because you're smarter than that. Do you really want to give reason for inciting further violence? What other benefit is gained from making the image public, that wasn't clear to me from your article.
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# Karyon 2011-05-05 17:07
I believe it should be optional and up to the individual to view the pictures or not view the pictures. We are a democratic government? I know for some it would help with the closure of the horrific loss of a love one due to OBL they have had to live with.
I mourn for many of loss friends and family members due to OBL, I would like to see the pictures simply for a reminder that we are not done at seeking out evil.
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# Wesley 2011-05-05 17:08
fan the flames of anti-US sentiments and possibly put US servicemen in more dnager than they already are? Ironies notwithstanding , that why I do not need to see the photos released and agree with BHO call.
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# Mary 2011-05-05 17:11
Wesley, As the granddaughter, daughter, cousin and now godmother of servicemen, I say to you that it's offensive to them, and me for you or anyone else to put the onus on our service members, as though they have ANY obligation to protect an enemy of our country from being 'angry'. By your statement, you are alleging that Osama bin Laden and his followers have victim status. They aren't, they were the ones who attacked our country and killed roughly 3,000 civilians, to intimidate and terrorize our nation. Secondly, radical Islamists get 'angry' over anything they wish.. in fact, they tend to become intimidated and less willing to impose their acts of terrorism, when we present a tough front, when they see for themselves what their actions bring to them. Face it, bin Laden's followers will take um-bridge irregardless. continued below
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# Valerie 2011-05-05 17:14
I just hope the American people can see the duplicity and will react at the Polls in 2012! This guy and all connected to GO before we are all sunk!!
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# Peter 2011-05-05 17:15
I think it is good not to show the photos. A close range 45 cal to the head would blow it open! And regards to government transparency, Mr. Obama is like every uniformed newbie for president, and doesn't really no one he is talking about!
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# Mary 2011-05-05 17:18
Our citizenry, our service men and women have a right to be proud of their achievements, especially given the fact that since taking office, Barack Obama has tied their hands behind their backs. What's more, after taking credit for their courageous actions, despite the fact that Obama ordered them to kill bin Laden, not take him alive, Obama told the foreign press that he didn't order them to shoot to kill. He's attempted to allege all manner of things, against the Seal team who he sent into harm's way. We all have a right to see the photos, and bin Laden's followers and any others thinking about signing up as one, need to see what will happen when they attack the US, because they are the ones in the wrong, and nothing you can say will change that fact. What's more, you need to focus your concern on others these Islamists terrorize and harm, their women, and non-believers in their midst..
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# dennis odonnell 2011-05-05 17:19
I support the decision not to publish these pictures. I dont want to give these radical fools more fuel for the manic behavior. Our sons are in their crosshairs.

If you doubt the story contact your congressman or senator for confirmation.
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# Susan 2011-05-05 17:22
This is hilarious but how do you know it's not really true??? :P
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# Nancy 2011-05-05 17:31
@A&N and others -- The real issue is WHY we aren't being shown any of this. Are we really that concerned over whether these mass murderers are HAPPY with US? That is a sad part of political correctness... our freedoms are limited for FEAR of their incivility and potential terrorism. In my mind, this allows them to WIN against us before they have even acted!! OUR FREEDOMS NEED TO CONTINUE and not cower to these unreasonable, death-promoting , misled jihadist!! America is the land of the brave... not the PC whimps!!! I only wish our President was more on our side on these things than for our enemies and trying to appease a group that doesn't even think rationally!!
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# Ian Mostyn 2011-05-05 17:32
lol too funny :P
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# alexa 2011-05-05 17:34
Spot on. Americans paid for UBL's head. We're entitled to see it. And the rest of the world will relax when it sees that monster really is dead at last. There's a fake circulating now. It will fool some, especially if they want to believe. Has it incited and recruited yet? Censoring the truth is not transparency. Denying us our due is cruel hypocrisy.
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# George 2011-05-05 17:35
The reality of transparency is that you cannot tell the enemy you are coming. If all is transparent then you are unarmed. Would you tell the Pakistani's that the UAV 170 was flying over their territory to find Bin Laden by publishing it in the NY Times? How did it feel when Al Qaeda in Iraq videotaped the beheading of our people? Why didn't we show the crushed remains of the people on 9/11?
You say that Obama acted paradoxically in not showing the Bin Laden photo but then to be brutally honest, and I don't wish this, each one of our servicemen's coffins should be opened for the world to see what's left of them. Then your transparency would be guaranteed.
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# Jim 2011-05-05 17:39
Considering the negative impact Osama Bin Laden has had on our country, I have no problem allowing the pictures to be viewed. No one would be made to see them. That should be optional.

I think we have become soft as a nation and too worried about political correctness. Foes have taken advantage of this. My opinion is it is a disgrace to worry about Bin Laden supporters becoming angry and wanting to retaliate. These animals are not civil and we shouldn't treat them as if logic is part of the equation.

Personally, I would have liked to see Bin Laden thrown into the street (alive or dead) and out troops allowed to walk over the top of him. I'd like to make it very clear how we felt about him. That is just my opinion.
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# alexa 2011-05-05 17:42
Mary, bravo. Fully agree.
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# David 2011-05-05 17:50
than that. Was Abu Ghraib photo releases disingenuous? Did that do anything for us or change anything? What about releasing photos of our soldiers' coffins? Who's sensibilities are we considering there? Clearly that has no propaganda value....

Quit thinking myopically vanessa. There are families of thousands of dead Americans that want that proof. As your fellow Americans (clearly making an assumption), don't THEY have the right to put their dead at ease?
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# Terry Dillard 2011-05-05 17:50
The "flimsy evidence" of a dead Osama bin Laden would change the look of the wall upon which I have hung pictures of those who jumped from the twin towers rather than burn to death, and the one of Americans hanging burned and headless from a bridge in Fallujah. It would spruce up that wall, actually. And when did radical Muslims actually need a REASON for violence? If we DON'T show the picture, do you think they'll say "Oh, no picture, so let's give them a pass on this one, boys, no retaliation for OBL's death, OK?"
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# alexa 2011-05-05 17:52
Quoting George:
Why didn't we show the crushed remains of the people on 9/11?
You say that Obama acted paradoxically in not showing the Bin Laden photo but then to be brutally honest, and I don't wish this, each one of our servicemen's coffins should be opened for the world to see what's left of them. Then your transparency would be guaranteed.


Obama promised transparency, he needs to deliver. Judicious transparency is wise. Expedient censorship is hypocrisy. Censoring the truth is shielding me from the horrors of war, something he thinks is wrong and thus forced allowance of the press at Dover. Enemy vids I can avoid. You think the enemy is going to follow our example now? Really? My photos I am entitled to. Hiding the truth to allegedly avoid inciting more violence is leading by fear. It dilutes the victory and kow-tows to the enemy.
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# Ken 2011-05-05 17:53
It's all a fake. Bin Laden wasn't killed.

He's living somewhere in western China, with Elvis. :P
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# Nancy 2011-05-05 17:56
It is a disgrace how OHB has disgraced the Seals -- tried to act like HE did anything but sit in his cozy chair and give a decision! He is a whimpy person at best and is really just a propped up gutless wonder!! Sad so many didn't realize what they were voting for... an ally to the Jihadist!!
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# alexa 2011-05-05 17:56
Exactly right David, thanks for making the point. Let's see if Vanessa will get it.
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# Steve D. 2011-05-05 17:57
Jim Geraghty from NRO, said it best in his "Morning Jolt e-Newsletter:"

What's that? It might be "an incitement to additional violence"? Show me one extremist Muslim who's not going to go into a violent rage over killing bin Laden, but who will do so if he sees the photos. Go out and find him. A few weeks ago, a bunch of Afghanis went on a rampage and killed a bunch of aid workers because Pastor Pyro down in Florida decided to flame-broil a Koran. A controversial book, a cartoon, the latest conspiracy theory -- it doesn't matter. These guys are just looking for excuses to run around and kill people in a frenzy.

I am tired of my government's adjusting its policies in these inane attempts to placate the triggers of rage among unstable people -- as if it's our fault for provoking them.

The truth will set you free, even when it's ugly or gruesome.
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# alexa 2011-05-05 17:59
Very well said. Our enemy is not going to suddenly go easy on us just because we don't show the evidence. I'm tired of us acting like cowards and being overly sensitive to our enemy's feelings. It's ridiculous.
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# alexa 2011-05-05 18:02
You and me both are tired of leading by appeasement. Obama is a cruel hypocrite.
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# Randy Carruthers 2011-05-05 18:07
The terrorists are already quite inflamed and are trying their best to cause murder and mayhem. Newspapers in the Middle East already have shown the photos of the 3 men killed in the "mansion" and along with the apparently fake picture of dead OBL. If you understand the ME psyche, publishing the authentic photo would actually help demoralize terrorists.
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# whamprod 2011-05-05 18:08
Quoting vanessa:
Why would such flimsy evidence as a photograph change anything? Photographs will always be suspect to whatever cause the suspicion benefits (See also: Birther Movement)

It's disingenuous to promote that Obama will not show the image just because it's graphic because you're smarter than that. Do you really want to give reason for inciting further violence? What other benefit is gained from making the image public, that wasn't clear to me from your article.

Nonsense. I WANT more violence. That merely identifies the crazies, and then we can kill more of them. By all means, draw them out where they are easier to find and kill. Every last one of them.
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# alexa 2011-05-05 18:09
Did we care this much about offending the easily outraged radicalized Muslim al Qaeda and their sympathizers when we decided to defend ourselves in the war they started, in pursuit of UBL? See how flimsy that argument gets with a little analysis.

Americans paid dearly for UBL's head. We are ENTITLED to see the evidence. Trust but verify. Question authority. It's not just for the left.
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# alexa 2011-05-05 18:22
If you don't want to see the photo, then don't. But don't censor the truth of it for everyone else. That would be un-American. All media should be doing everything possible to force the managed release and not just lean back and act all accepting just because Obama has "spoken."
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# gonzo 2011-05-05 18:29
should be 09 May 2011
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# Wesley 2011-05-05 18:33
because I believe their release would bring about an incremental increase in the risk to the the safety of our servicemen as they do their duty in whatever "hotspot" they happen to be serving. Aside from all of the from all of the theories and POVs and BHO bashing, whatever... I think the lack of imagery will hasten the dissipation of OBL death in the mind of the terrorist and thus not serve to increase the risk to our servicemen overseas.
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# Mark 2011-05-05 18:43
So many good points made already, but so frustrated with people (with good intentions I'm sure) thinking we can actually win the enemy over with kindness and sensitivity. Just as annoyed that he was buried at sea in 24 hrs. That just plays in to the whacko conspiracy theorists hands. (although I do agree the briny blue sea is a good spot for him) Why also did we worry so much about a proper muslim burial and ceremony, did not so many of the muslim world tell us he did not represent them and that he was distorting their religion? Seriously, the extremists will be extreme, we don't need to do anything for that to happen, it just will.
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# Richard Thomasson 2011-05-05 18:47
Us inflaming the Muslims....Hmmm I think that oat already left. Our troops are and have been in as much danger as possible continuously and so have we. The security measure of this country can't stop Mexicans from coming across the boarder why would we think the US could stop a terrorist attack? They can't even stop un-invited guess from getting into the White House parties.
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# Ron Handke 2011-05-05 18:50
Obama probably thinks that he can apiese the Pak, and others by not showing the photos, but I ask the question, how was it that they did show any photos they could of our people. If he is so tender hearted, then he is not the man for the job. This is WAR, and often one does not like what he/she sees, but we go on.
Yes there is no purpose in staying in those countries when this is the life style of those people. Fighting first was said to protect the few that choose not to like there leaders, then it was about the oil fields. NONE of this was truth. I also agree that we can find and destroy anyone anywhere and do not need to allow our military to come home deceased or wounded. Sorry to say, another poor excuse for a leader, from Chicago, which is in the state I live. Bin would fit right in with the boys from chicago.
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# xoxoxoBruce 2011-05-05 18:59
@ Steve Gough who wrote;
"At some unknown point a group of spymasters more or less came up to Obama while he was on the 9th tee, dropped a manila envelope in his golf cart and more or less said: etc etc"

I guess you didn't read Mr Yon's 5-3-11 dispatch. "SR. DEFENSE OFFICIAL: Let me just add -- the president's role in this should not be underestimated. I think there was a body of intelligence that was brought forward to him and his team, as was described, but in the final weeks and really months of this, his personal interest and direction and attention pushed the case to a new level that enabled real action. And I think that role is quite important."

You must be thinking of the last president, who couldn’t be bothered to read the memos (warning of the impending attacks with airplanes) that were already on his desk for weeks.
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# xoxoxoBruce 2011-05-05 19:01
Is showing this picture going to prove anything? No, pictures are even easier to fake than press releases. Going after Bin Laden was about justice. Reveling in a picture of his mutilated body is about vengeance. I hope our government's official position never becomes about vengeance instead of justice.


Obama told the SEALs, go after Bin Laden and if you meet any resistance, kill him.
They met resistance (firefight), they killed him.
Obama was satisfied they had done what he asked, and said so.
Now the press/bloggers are questioning the actions of the SEALs... they're the ones criticizing the actions of the Seal team, not Obama. They’re the ones nit-picking the meaning of resistance, not Obama. And it’s fools that are siding with those monday-morning- quarterbacks online, instead of backing the actions of the SEAL team and Obama.
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# Joseph 2011-05-05 19:02
Quoting Wesley:
would appreciate that the photo wouldn't do a thing to verify his death only serve to anger even bolster OBL supporters.. Why give them that tool?


Serve to anger!!?? That's all these prople are is angry! Everytime someone farts in their direction, they get angry & kill people adn destroy property. when they leave their friday "worship" they are angry. I must clarify though, it is mostly all men who are angry, since woman aren't allowed to show their face (literally) at these demonstrations. Dark age believers. Enough!1 Rejoice in the monster's death & all the ones to follow.
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# Steve D. 2011-05-05 19:22
xoxoxoBruce,
I don't understand where you are drawing your arbitrary line. Was it wrong to release the photos of US Gangsters (like Bonnie & Clyde?)? Is the Govt. wrong, too, to allow Michael Yon to publich his battlefield photography since it's sometimes bloody and might offend? Was it wrong for the NYT to publish the Abu Grahib photos 20 times on their front page?
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# Paula 2011-05-05 19:30
The INFOSEC guidelines are hysterical.

Signed,
Chinese government hacker web administrator.
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# Frank 2011-05-05 19:38
I know just about everyone wants Bin Ladens pics released. I do too! But not at the expense of one of our soldiers. I think they should stay SECRET until all the US Military personnel are out of the sandbox. Forget about the News media, newspapers,and US citizens. We have soldiers who well be dealing with these nut jobs. The mission should have stayed CLASSIFIED and not leaked to the News media. The stories are out and their are many versions. The Obama Administration did a great job on the Kill mission but screwed up the post mission. The training camps would be using his pictures as a propaganda tool. If I had my way they should have throw the SOB in a pig farm!
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# Nancy 2011-05-05 20:59
@Frank -- Don't you agree that the The training camps should be using his "DEMISE" pictures as a propaganda tool?? I mean wouldn't that scare a potential recruit from that type of ending?? But then again, they can't help but think "they are special" and won't meet such an end... again... they aren't rational, so why we cater to any of them is beyond me!! :-*
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# Coasty 2011-05-05 21:28
Pictures can be Photoshopped too easily. But I always believed that Osama had been killed years ago so there would be no way to release pictures of a person who was not Osama. Obama opposed anything that would have brought about the killing of Osama if Osama was alive. No, I don't think so, the timing is too convenient for Obama...he needed something to take the spotlight off of his other trials. This could have been an elaborate scheme. Sorry I don't believe what comes out of Obama's mouth.
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# sammy 2011-05-05 21:34
http://youtu.be/1Yx9NRX37SM

Watch "Loose Change" on YouTube...

or maybe stop making up silly theories...

S
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# A&N 2011-05-05 21:41
I am one of we the people that I described. I am also one who lives in a state where we are being invaded across the border where muslims are crossing illegaly by 600% more than ever before. You are welcome to believe as you wish but my thoughts and feelings are just as legitimate as yours and for now...I am free to speak....and I will. When all our freedoms are gone...maybe you will catch on.
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# A&N 2011-05-05 21:57
Mike...you have the same old trolls as all the other sane blogs do...spouting the same old liberal lines....Gets boring as they are not creative....jus t repetitive. But you are funny, Mike. Thanks and remember our cry.....FREEDOM !!!!! And that is from the enemies within and without.
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# sammy 2011-05-05 22:13
at least BHO sent US Forces into Pak which GWB simply would not do... GWB obvi did not want to piss off his Saudi, UAE and other Arab buddies... He knows what side his bread is buttered... say what you will, BHO gave the order and it was executed w/near perefection... What else could he do
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# fitz 2011-05-05 22:33
8) JEEEZUS.AL USAMA'S SUPPORTERS ARE ALREADY "ANGRY" WITH US.I HOPE THE SEAL THAT TAPPED THE BASTARD DUG THE ROUNDS OUT AND WILL SELL THEM ON EBAY OLO.MIKE KEEP ON KEEPIN ON. AND EF THEMUZZIES
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# thnidu 2011-05-05 23:24
Quoting Mary:
the fact that Obama ordered them to kill bin Laden, not take him alive


Evidence, please?
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# H**** -redacted- 2011-05-05 23:32
Funny, very ****y! (redacted because I said so! I'm the President!)
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# H**** -redacted- 2011-05-05 23:34
Funny, very ****y!(redacted because I said so! I'm the President!)

-correction- placed in wrong spot
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# David 2011-05-05 23:35
Why the hell to we (Jo public) need proof anyhow?

What difference will it make to us? If he is alive.

Sometimes I am assumed to be a member of the public. What do we expect, the top commanders of a war to come and ask our permission to conduct raids and campaigns?

We need to get over ourselves.

I'm sure he will make his presence known pretty soon. IMO, I belive they got him.
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# David 2011-05-05 23:36
Sorry that 2nd line should say:

"If he is alive, I'm sure he will show himself."
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# u asked 4 it... 2011-05-06 00:09
Of COURSE BHO had to make sure OBL died; can you just IMAGINE the media circus over here, with BHO trying to gloat over his prize and OBL babbling away about, "How could you do this to me, brother? After all the campaign funds I helped funnel to you from myself and all the jihadis?!" It would be messy, maybe even too messy for the leftist media to hide.
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# been-there 2011-05-06 00:35
Let me get this straight -- don't show pictures of OBL because it might inflame some in the Muslim world...

*What did your mama tell you when you started crying over something minor? "You want something to cry over?" They are going to hate, despise and kill us even before we killed him. In for a pound, in for a penny.

*I guess killing him won't upset them...after all what is a bullet in the brain?

*On the other hand, it is okay to show the pics from Abu Ghraib and we didn't worry about inflaming some knuckle-head....

What happened to transparency?

Remember, it was Obama who said that with OBL hiding in a cave was just as effective as capturing, killing or bringing him to justice.

Obama and his administration live in La-La Land of what they believe "should" be. They are not practical or operating in the world as it is.
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# Frank 2011-05-06 02:36
Nancy,

These people are fanatics. They have not been raised to appreciate life. They are brainwashed at an early age. Killing is now their calling. As cold as that may sound.
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# Bandit 47 2011-05-06 06:14
It's so comical reading the stuff you right wingers write about the president. Disgraced the SEALs? Maybe you were referring to the mammals in the North Pole because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. The president gave the order. If the mission had gone wrong all the blame would have been on him and you right wingers would have had a field day with the bitching.
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# Violette 2011-05-06 08:15
Fun Humor provided by Michael Yon and Steve Gough...Would be nice to see photos of UOBL's crushed head [sorry BHUO and sensiiiiible people]if not to 'endanger" our already endangered GREAT BOYS and folks around the world since a too long time !
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# david 2011-05-06 09:11
Prove it. the word is that he was against this action and had to be "convinced" by others to let it happen.
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# Wesley 2011-05-06 09:45
father, cousin, friend of a sailor who once knew a guy who had a thing or was a was a something that... OBAMA IS BAD!!!
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# Sean 2011-05-06 10:17
Two things. First, credit where credit is due. Reports say that Obama made the call to initiate the mission. While it is true the Seals deserve credit for the actual actions conducted, Obama did give the order, according to most reports. If for some reason you can't give him at least a little credit for doing the right thing then your opinion is based not on facts but emotions.

Second, releasing this photograph would anger radical muslims. Have you guys not paid attention to Mr. Yon's dispatches over the years? Don't you remember how he detailed Al Qaeda used photographs? Do you not remember what kind of impact his photograph of Farra had? No one actually cares if Al Qaeda is mad. What they care about is how Al Qaeda uses the photograph of bin Laden against US troops.

These same troops that you care about and that I care about. A picture can speak a thousand words. It can demoralize a population or spur them into action. Continued below.
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# Frank 2011-05-06 10:18
The UBL pictures will come out around re-election time. Just to remind the voting public of his only correct performance since he's been in the White House. Another screw-up is in the making lets tell the public what we found in those computers and electronic data found at UBL's. I guess the smart people left the White House!
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# Sean 2011-05-06 10:25
Photographs of child laborers forced the US government to restrict the kinds of work children could do. Photographs of the Nazi death camps haunt the pages of history to this day. Photographs of Vietnam turned public opinion against the war, which caused not only a social revolution at home but the withdrawal of US troops, even when we fought off the Tet Offensive.

Photographs of Abu Ghraib nearly did the same for the Iraq war.

Al Qaeda could use the image of bin Laden as a ralying cry, twist the message to suit their needs. They could at once hold up bin Laden as a martyr while "displaying" US brutality.

Whether this is likely or not has no relevance. What matters is that nothing is gained by releasing this photograph. A mourning family doesn't need to see the vacated skull of bin Laden to find closure and the American population doesn't need to see the bullet holes to know that the man is dead.
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# Nancy 2011-05-06 12:47
[quote name="Frank"]Th e UBL pictures will come out around re-election time. Just to remind the voting public of his only correct performance since he's been in the White House. . Tbcont'd.
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# Nancy 2011-05-06 12:57
Unfortunately that is probably closest to the truth. I have never witnessed a American president more narcissistic. And was I the only one who sees how often "I" is a part of OHB's robotic TelePrompter reads (no passion or real guts in anything he says). He is king of that. That's why Sean we don't buy the "I'm saving those overseas". He is always about Himself and on the Stump.
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# Nancy 2011-05-06 13:01
Oh and the photos are just another piece of his Power Trip. Nothing more.  Imagine how much farther He can manipulate our Freedom of Speech and Information Act if he keeps pulling this kind of power from our citizens.  You don't see the danger because you still have on those rose colored glasses.  OHB does not have any Anerican pride and is using his position to circumvent our Anerican Govt. It's a joke these days that we aren't already under a socialist dictator!! Hopeful those rose-colored glasses get taken off b4 2012.
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# Nancy 2011-05-06 13:10
Whether this is likely or not has no relevance.
The relevance is... Freedoms lost to the Americans ability to be given information and that you believe by not showing these photos our enemies are going to give us a pass. They will never do that pictures or not. That's the lie you've swallowed. OHB isn't making a difference in how our enemies view us Westerners. That will not happen until we all bow to the Big M, the leader of the Muslim world!! PERIOD!!
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# Nancy 2011-05-06 13:16
Oh. And I wish I was a CN Hacker!! Maybe a SE one will have to do

Michael, I appreciate you sharing us the truth of what our bravest Americans are doing on our behalf. It's priceless!! And your humor does go quite a ways to keep us sane.

Thank you!! :lol:
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# Steve D. 2011-05-06 13:23
"What matters is that nothing is gained by releasing this photograph."

I disagree. Plenty is gained by releasing the photos. First of all, it emphasizes to the world what was done. Second, it provides some level of physical evidence of what actually happened at the compound (there are dozens of variations of the facts out there now). Third, it shows that in our open society, information is not supressed.

"A mourning family doesn't need to see the vacated skull of bin Laden to find closure and the American population doesn't need to see the bullet holes to know that the man is dead."

If a grieving family member doesn't need it, they don't have to look at it. If a grieving family member does need it, they can look at it. It's not up to you or me to decide what that family member needs.
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# Steve Gough 2011-05-06 13:55
Quoting xoxoxoBruce:

I guess you didn't read Mr Yon's 5-3-11 dispatch. "SR. DEFENSE OFFICIAL:


Oh I read it alright but what do you expect a "SR.DEFENSE OFFICIAL" to say?


Quote:
You must be thinking of the last president, who couldn’t be bothered to read the memos (warning of the impending attacks with airplanes) that were already on his desk for weeks.
Really? No, I was thinking of our current, do nothing narcissist.

Since the CIA chief, (in this case Leon Panetta), is the Commandant Commander for the war on terrorism, and under COCOM authority he can authorize lethal prosecution of a positively ID'd target. It is appropriate that he did.

At the end of the day I want to see that photograph for my own sick pleasure, the pleasure that I would take from seeing his mutilated dead head...
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# The Dude 2011-05-06 14:45
The Right Wing surely knows how to display the excess of the uneducated.
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# Alex 2011-05-06 15:35
Do any of you really doubt that Osama's dead? No, you don't, unless you're an idiot, so what is the purpose of releasing a photo? To satisfy your morbid curiosity? To shove it in the terrorists' faces? Neither are particularly compelling cases. I have no doubt at some point in history the picture will become public. But there are plenty of good reasons to hold onto it now and only stupid and vacuous ones to release it.
What about the ignorant masses in the Muslim world that will believe he's still alive? Well I say to them that the burden of proof is on Al Qaeda. Let them demonstrate if he's still alive - that would be much more definitive than a picture to the contrary in this age of photoshop.
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# Roger 2011-05-06 16:20
Okay, I suppose 'logically' it would make them MORE angry to see a 'picture' of a dead UBL than the knowledge that "we shot the crap out of his head!" I guess...

I suppose that they (those normally calm and logical Imans, etc) might become more fractious seeing a photo than 'realizing' that we flew four (or perhaps more) helos into their airspace, completed a dangerous (turns out to them!) mission and escaped unscathed with the body of the ideological leader (who probably had a dog sitting on his chest on the return flight)...

Continued...
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# Roger 2011-05-06 16:20
I personally don't have to see a photo but sudden about faces even in the face of, well, probable facts that BHO didn't really know what was happening until they called him in from playtime (golf) and said, "Oh, BTW, we are about to take out a nasty person... wanna watch?. This is the results of openness and accessibility and besides the fake pics floating about (potentially) look a lot worse than probably the real photos.

Maybe we could just post the DNA findings?

And talk about ANGRY. Think of how many "Photoshop" users who will be so angry they might redraw BHO with bigger ears!

Lastly, because Obama comes to this site all the time and most of his decisions are based on what is said here, well we should pull together so we can give him good advice and not appear to be divided!
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# Chase 2011-05-06 18:29
But is it "We the people" who are in charge of the US service members and their safety?
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# Chase 2011-05-06 18:33
They are SEALs not Seals and he in no way disgraced them, but keep on drinking that right wing haterade.
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# xoxoxoBruce 2011-05-06 21:52
@ Roger.
Stop it, I've got Pepsi coming out of my nose. :D
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# sammy 2011-05-06 22:21
http://youtu.be/seGfHs72q_M
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# Vickie 2011-05-07 20:00
Mary, I agree with every word you wrote. I wish our leaders would speak with the same truth you write. It is so refreshing to read something so honest and to the point. Thank You.
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# Bob 2011-05-07 23:59
Quoting The Dude:
The Right Wing surely knows how to display the excess of the uneducated.

As opposed the the left wing promising to take from the rich and give to you. That the government knows whats best? That they can run everyones healthcare. Gimme a break.
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# Art D 2011-05-08 02:00
I agree with Wesley we do not need the photos. I think maybe they should show the long form of his death certificate maybe then they will believe but I think not.
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# Steven D. 2011-05-09 14:18
[quote name="Alex"]... so what is the purpose of releasing a photo? quote]

It's simply because it's what we - all of America - did. This is not a case like Abu Grahib where a couple of loons took humiliating pictures. Pictures like that can be held back because they serve nothing positive and only humiliate.
In the case of bin Ladin, the govt. took action. We are not hiding that fact. So we should see the results and show the results. Not out of pride or morbidism, but just because it is what it is. Unfortunately, Obama & Others have made the simple presentation of facts into a reason to inflame. If the photos were provided without fanfare, they could have been viewed with the somber recognition that they desrve. Now, even if they are shown as they should be, it's another political mess.
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# Wesley 2011-05-09 14:52
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# vanessa 2011-05-09 21:02
So David, you're saying you wont take the administration, or the word of the SEALs, but if they give you a photograph, you'll believe them?
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# vanessa 2011-05-09 21:06
Quoting whamprod:

Nonsense. I WANT more violence.


As someone with loved ones in both theaters, you make me sick to my stomach.
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# Barbara 2011-05-09 22:48
Pictures. Pa-leeeeze. It's easy to fall for a diversion. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me", remember? Snap out of it, people. Focus here. The photos are not the issue. Seen one EKIA, seen 'em all.

Where's the tail rotor now and when will China have a parade to reveal they've reverse-enginee ring this, too?
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# Steven D. 2011-05-10 12:13
Your off the topic, but you hit an important point. That tail rotar looked in pretty good condition. Bad job in destroying it.
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# Art D 2011-05-10 20:30
I think that when you see flag draped coffins of our troops coming home is a big different from a picture of a dead man with part of his head missing. It is honering a soldier. And your comment on Abu Graib is your answer to showing these pictures.
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# Steven D. 2011-05-10 20:44
On the one hand, the photos from Abu Grahib are not relevant to this debate. They were the acts of some, and did not represent the USA. The bin Ladin episode, however, is the official act of the US govt.

On the other hand, as much the photos from Abu Grahib were dispicipal, they served a purpose. Do you think the govt. should have censored them?

The truth is a good thing. The govt. should have shown the photos, not out of malice or hate, but as a presentation of the facts.

At this point, however, Obama & company have made such a big deal out of the photos, that he has practically dared a violent reaction to them. So they have to be buried, at least for a while. The man is a nit-wit.
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# Art D 2011-05-10 21:46
These picturs from Abu Grahib caused more hate and Obama knew that the death pictures of OBL would do the same thing. Do you remember the cartoon and the problem it caused. The artist that drew the picture is still hiding from them.

And the government did try to censored the pictures and it would have been better if they had not gotten out. But they did and I think it was for the better.

And I thing you will find out that by not showing them this will die out in the USA but if he had showen the pictures over seas it would just insight them even more. Abu Grahib is still being used against us.
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# Steven D. 2011-05-10 22:15
The Abu Grahib photos also alerted the public of the Iraqi problem. I'm glad they were made available so we could understand the situation better.

The "don't provoke them and maybe they'll leave us alone" strategy is hopeless. These guys are going to find an excuse to kill, whether it's cartoons or a pyromaniac pastor in Florida.

Show me one extremist Muslim who's not going to go into a violent rage over killing bin Laden, but who will do so if he sees the photos. Show him to me and I'll reconsider. Until then, I am tired of my government's adjusting its policies to placate unstable people.

The truth will set you free, even when it makes you unfortable.
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# Art D 2011-05-10 22:41
I agree they will never stop, since the beginning we have had terrorist but provoking them just gets the young to stand up against us. Most of them think they are protecting there way of life and religion and they are. We are there and it is their country not ours. If they were here I would also fight them.

And the truth is we are Americans not Afgans. And what I have seen in violent rage is over us being in Pakistan. I really haven't seen anything on violent rage about OBL being died.
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# been-there 2011-05-10 23:12
to Art-D
The Nazi's said they would never yield. The Japanese said they would fight to their last person on the mainland.

We are not Afghans or Paki's....but they are not Americans. People DIE to come to America...they boat, swim,hide in jet wheel wheels & cross death dealing deserts.

We didn't pick this fight. A relatively small group of religious radicals did, starting about 50 years ago. When 9/11 happened, the U.S. was the largest contributor of food, medicine & aid to Afghanistan.

We are not dealing with a government or republic or democracy. We are dealing with a few religious groups that believes that if you do not practice their brand of religion, you should be killed.

& their brand of religion controls the government. No separation of church & state.

Our very existence is offensive to them. They will not stop until they wipe us off the face of the earth.
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# Nancy 2011-05-10 23:13
Let's just say this... Our American freedoms are a source of jealousy to most of the non-free world, some choose to hate us for it and want to squash ours by their terror and fear-provoking ways -- others try to storm our borders. Either way the majority of people wish they had what America provides today, but if we ever really cower to the "fear" that they promote by their "unrational" behavior, we've lost a bit more of our freedoms, which is what they hate us for the most. Honestly, if the truth be told they wish they could have the life we are barely hanging onto today!!
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