From the White House: New INFOSEC Guidelines101 Comments
- Published: Thursday, 05 May 2011 16:05
05 May 2011
President Obama campaigned on a platform of Government transparency. To his credit, he has taken steps in that direction, such as lifting the ban on photographing flagged draped coffins returning from the wars. Again, to his credit, he made it clear that Americans should not be shielded from the horrors of war. Paradoxically, yesterday, he banned the release of photos of the body of Osama bin Laden.
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This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agowould appreciate that the photo wouldn't do a thing to verify his death only serve to anger even bolster OBL supporters.. Why give them that tool?
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThe decision not to show the photos of a dead Bin Laden is not Mr. Obama's to make. It was "we the people" who were attacked on 9/11. It is our sons and fathers and husbands fighting and sometimes dying to protect us from the evils of this devil Bin Laden. We have seen our brethren jump from windows to their deaths. We have seen our men hanging from bridges, drug through streets with no honor, beheaded and blown up....With our eyes we have seen these things and suffered these losses. Have we the people no say, are we being so disrespected by this man who calls himself our president, that we cannot determine for ourselves if we want to see this enemy of our souls laying dead? Mr. Obama delivers us nothing but pain. He is a coward of a man and in fact...he must hate us much to do this thing to us.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoYou forgot UNCLASSIFLIED.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoI am part of "we the people" and I don't share you point of view and I know a lot of folks who do and dont... They are "we the people" as well.. That doesn't negate your post but you can't really think you speak for "we the people"...
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoAt some unknown point a group of spymasters more or less came up to Obama while he was on the 9th tee, dropped a manila envelope in his golf cart and more or less said:
"We have him and not only that but we've already planned the raid, trained the team, given them their flying orders and right now ten thousand tons of deadly American kick ass is silently winging towards Bin Laden's little love nest in brand new stealth shit under the call-sign 'Cockpunch'.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoDaily am amazed to realize, from BHO's actions/words, the depth of contempt for the intelligence of the average citizen held by him and his slick czars/admin. Contrary to BHO's obvious beliefs, WE DO UNDERSTAND. Perhaps 2012 will prove the vote does count (minus dead people and ACORN) and and rid us of this President....then it's to work we go to right the wrongs he has wrought upon us. GO USA and THANK YOU SEALS! Michael Yon as well!!!!
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoSo you have two options... sign this document approving our actions, come in the TV room with us and watch the home team put the enemy quarterback in the morgue, then you get to do what you do best... go on TV and make some silly speech using the word 'I' a lot and take all the political credit... or you can tell us to leave you alone and get out of your office, that you won't be a party to assassination and we will pretty much just go do it anyway, leak it to the press and take all the credit ourselves... and maybe even mention Bush a few times. After all, we did all the leg work on this one... we've been running this guy down for ten years. You've been here, what, two of that? We rubber hosed the right guys, got the right intel, trained the right men and have wormsign the likes of which god has never seen bearing down on that fucker. So put down your little toy, grab your big boy pen and hop on board for the big win."
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoSo regrettable that reports emanating from The White House are replete with contradictions. This, of itself, is like to play into the hands of enemies, and will do little, if anything,to encourage Pakistan to assist in apprehending senior associates of Osama residing in tha tcountry. It's really remarkable how the Seals, superbly trained as they are, could have managed to overcome the loss of a Black Hawk, carry out their assigned task and bring back a variety of items which, on the face of it, may prove to be of huge value when analyzed. I speak as a Brit who has a genuine admiration for the American people and who pokes friendly fun at their gung-ho ways even as he salutes their honesty of purpose and their optimistic 'can-do' approach to things. They took Omaha Beach in the face of truly horrible conditions; and they have done so many good, worthy things since those days.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThere are a wealth of ironies:
Didn't BHO support those who insisted on getting photos of returning American war dead, at least in part to build opposition to the war?
Is BHO our president or does he represent the Muslims? Why does he rank their sensibilities first, then consider ours later?
How about all the media who published stories (later revealed to be false) of Koran flushing?
How about all the photos of Abu Graib? Did BHO fight to suppress them?
A wealth of ironies.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoWhy would such flimsy evidence as a photograph change anything? Photographs will always be suspect to whatever cause the suspicion benefits (See also: Birther Movement)
It's disingenuous to promote that Obama will not show the image just because it's graphic because you're smarter than that. Do you really want to give reason for inciting further violence? What other benefit is gained from making the image public, that wasn't clear to me from your article.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoI believe it should be optional and up to the individual to view the pictures or not view the pictures. We are a democratic government? I know for some it would help with the closure of the horrific loss of a love one due to OBL they have had to live with.
I mourn for many of loss friends and family members due to OBL, I would like to see the pictures simply for a reminder that we are not done at seeking out evil.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agofan the flames of anti-US sentiments and possibly put US servicemen in more dnager than they already are? Ironies notwithstanding, that why I do not need to see the photos released and agree with BHO call.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoWesley, As the granddaughter, daughter, cousin and now godmother of servicemen, I say to you that it's offensive to them, and me for you or anyone else to put the onus on our service members, as though they have ANY obligation to protect an enemy of our country from being 'angry'. By your statement, you are alleging that Osama bin Laden and his followers have victim status. They aren't, they were the ones who attacked our country and killed roughly 3,000 civilians, to intimidate and terrorize our nation. Secondly, radical Islamists get 'angry' over anything they wish.. in fact, they tend to become intimidated and less willing to impose their acts of terrorism, when we present a tough front, when they see for themselves what their actions bring to them. Face it, bin Laden's followers will take um-bridge irregardless. continued below
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoI just hope the American people can see the duplicity and will react at the Polls in 2012! This guy and all connected to GO before we are all sunk!!
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoI think it is good not to show the photos. A close range 45 cal to the head would blow it open! And regards to government transparency, Mr. Obama is like every uniformed newbie for president, and doesn't really no one he is talking about!
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoOur citizenry, our service men and women have a right to be proud of their achievements, especially given the fact that since taking office, Barack Obama has tied their hands behind their backs. What's more, after taking credit for their courageous actions, despite the fact that Obama ordered them to kill bin Laden, not take him alive, Obama told the foreign press that he didn't order them to shoot to kill. He's attempted to allege all manner of things, against the Seal team who he sent into harm's way. We all have a right to see the photos, and bin Laden's followers and any others thinking about signing up as one, need to see what will happen when they attack the US, because they are the ones in the wrong, and nothing you can say will change that fact. What's more, you need to focus your concern on others these Islamists terrorize and harm, their women, and non-believers in their midst..
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoI support the decision not to publish these pictures. I dont want to give these radical fools more fuel for the manic behavior. Our sons are in their crosshairs.
If you doubt the story contact your congressman or senator for confirmation.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThis is hilarious but how do you know it's not really true??? :P
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years ago@A&N and others -- The real issue is WHY we aren't being shown any of this. Are we really that concerned over whether these mass murderers are HAPPY with US? That is a sad part of political correctness... our freedoms are limited for FEAR of their incivility and potential terrorism. In my mind, this allows them to WIN against us before they have even acted!! OUR FREEDOMS NEED TO CONTINUE and not cower to these unreasonable, death-promoting, misled jihadist!! America is the land of the brave... not the PC whimps!!! I only wish our President was more on our side on these things than for our enemies and trying to appease a group that doesn't even think rationally!!
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agolol too funny :P
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoSpot on. Americans paid for UBL's head. We're entitled to see it. And the rest of the world will relax when it sees that monster really is dead at last. There's a fake circulating now. It will fool some, especially if they want to believe. Has it incited and recruited yet? Censoring the truth is not transparency. Denying us our due is cruel hypocrisy.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThe reality of transparency is that you cannot tell the enemy you are coming. If all is transparent then you are unarmed. Would you tell the Pakistani's that the UAV 170 was flying over their territory to find Bin Laden by publishing it in the NY Times? How did it feel when Al Qaeda in Iraq videotaped the beheading of our people? Why didn't we show the crushed remains of the people on 9/11?
You say that Obama acted paradoxically in not showing the Bin Laden photo but then to be brutally honest, and I don't wish this, each one of our servicemen's coffins should be opened for the world to see what's left of them. Then your transparency would be guaranteed.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoConsidering the negative impact Osama Bin Laden has had on our country, I have no problem allowing the pictures to be viewed. No one would be made to see them. That should be optional.
I think we have become soft as a nation and too worried about political correctness. Foes have taken advantage of this. My opinion is it is a disgrace to worry about Bin Laden supporters becoming angry and wanting to retaliate. These animals are not civil and we shouldn't treat them as if logic is part of the equation.
Personally, I would have liked to see Bin Laden thrown into the street (alive or dead) and out troops allowed to walk over the top of him. I'd like to make it very clear how we felt about him. That is just my opinion.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoMary, bravo. Fully agree.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agothan that. Was Abu Ghraib photo releases disingenuous? Did that do anything for us or change anything? What about releasing photos of our soldiers' coffins? Who's sensibilities are we considering there? Clearly that has no propaganda value....
Quit thinking myopically vanessa. There are families of thousands of dead Americans that want that proof. As your fellow Americans (clearly making an assumption), don't THEY have the right to put their dead at ease?
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThe "flimsy evidence" of a dead Osama bin Laden would change the look of the wall upon which I have hung pictures of those who jumped from the twin towers rather than burn to death, and the one of Americans hanging burned and headless from a bridge in Fallujah. It would spruce up that wall, actually. And when did radical Muslims actually need a REASON for violence? If we DON'T show the picture, do you think they'll say "Oh, no picture, so let's give them a pass on this one, boys, no retaliation for OBL's death, OK?"
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years ago[quote name="George"]Why didn't we show the crushed remains of the people on 9/11?
You say that Obama acted paradoxically in not showing the Bin Laden photo but then to be brutally honest, and I don't wish this, each one of our servicemen's coffins should be opened for the world to see what's left of them. Then your transparency would be guaranteed.[/quote]
Obama promised transparency, he needs to deliver. Judicious transparency is wise. Expedient censorship is hypocrisy. Censoring the truth is shielding me from the horrors of war, something he thinks is wrong and thus forced allowance of the press at Dover. Enemy vids I can avoid. You think the enemy is going to follow our example now? Really? My photos I am entitled to. Hiding the truth to allegedly avoid inciting more violence is leading by fear. It dilutes the victory and kow-tows to the enemy.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoIt's all a fake. Bin Laden wasn't killed.
He's living somewhere in western China, with Elvis. :P
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoIt is a disgrace how OHB has disgraced the Seals -- tried to act like HE did anything but sit in his cozy chair and give a decision! He is a whimpy person at best and is really just a propped up gutless wonder!! Sad so many didn't realize what they were voting for... an ally to the Jihadist!!
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoExactly right David, thanks for making the point. Let's see if Vanessa will get it.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoJim Geraghty from NRO, said it best in his "Morning Jolt e-Newsletter:"
What's that? It might be "an incitement to additional violence"? Show me one extremist Muslim who's not going to go into a violent rage over killing bin Laden, but who will do so if he sees the photos. Go out and find him. A few weeks ago, a bunch of Afghanis went on a rampage and killed a bunch of aid workers because Pastor Pyro down in Florida decided to flame-broil a Koran. A controversial book, a cartoon, the latest conspiracy theory -- it doesn't matter. These guys are just looking for excuses to run around and kill people in a frenzy.
I am tired of my government's adjusting its policies in these inane attempts to placate the triggers of rage among unstable people -- as if it's our fault for provoking them.
The truth will set you free, even when it's ugly or gruesome.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoVery well said. Our enemy is not going to suddenly go easy on us just because we don't show the evidence. I'm tired of us acting like cowards and being overly sensitive to our enemy's feelings. It's ridiculous.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoYou and me both are tired of leading by appeasement. Obama is a cruel hypocrite.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThe terrorists are already quite inflamed and are trying their best to cause murder and mayhem. Newspapers in the Middle East already have shown the photos of the men killed in the "mansion" and along with the apparently fake picture of dead OBL. If you understand the ME psyche, publishing the authentic photo would actually help demoralize terrorists.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years ago[quote name="vanessa"]Why would such flimsy evidence as a photograph change anything? Photographs will always be suspect to whatever cause the suspicion benefits (See also: Birther Movement)
It's disingenuous to promote that Obama will not show the image just because it's graphic because you're smarter than that. Do you really want to give reason for inciting further violence? What other benefit is gained from making the image public, that wasn't clear to me from your article.[/quote]
Nonsense. I WANT more violence. That merely identifies the crazies, and then we can kill more of them. By all means, draw them out where they are easier to find and kill. Every last one of them.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoDid we care this much about offending the easily outraged radicalized Muslim al Qaeda and their sympathizers when we decided to defend ourselves in the war they started, in pursuit of UBL? See how flimsy that argument gets with a little analysis.
Americans paid dearly for UBL's head. We are ENTITLED to see the evidence. Trust but verify. Question authority. It's not just for the left.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoIf you don't want to see the photo, then don't. But don't censor the truth of it for everyone else. That would be un-American. All media should be doing everything possible to force the managed release and not just lean back and act all accepting just because Obama has "spoken."
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoshould be 09 May 2011
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agobecause I believe their release would bring about an incremental increase in the risk to the the safety of our servicemen as they do their duty in whatever "hotspot" they happen to be serving. Aside from all of the from all of the theories and POVs and BHO bashing, whatever... I think the lack of imagery will hasten the dissipation of OBL death in the mind of the terrorist and thus not serve to increase the risk to our servicemen overseas.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoSo many good points made already, but so frustrated with people (with good intentions I'm sure) thinking we can actually win the enemy over with kindness and sensitivity. Just as annoyed that he was buried at sea in 24 hrs. That just plays in to the whacko conspiracy theorists hands. (although I do agree the briny blue sea is a good spot for him) Why also did we worry so much about a proper muslim burial and ceremony, did not so many of the muslim world tell us he did not represent them and that he was distorting their religion? Seriously, the extremists will be extreme, we don't need to do anything for that to happen, it just will.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoUs inflaming the Muslims....Hmmm I think that oat already left. Our troops are and have been in as much danger as possible continuously and so have we. The security measure of this country can't stop Mexicans from coming across the boarder why would we think the US could stop a terrorist attack? They can't even stop un-invited guess from getting into the White House parties.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoObama probably thinks that he can apiese the Pak, and others by not showing the photos, but I ask the question, how was it that they did show any photos they could of our people. If he is so tender hearted, then he is not the man for the job. This is WAR, and often one does not like what he/she sees, but we go on.
Yes there is no purpose in staying in those countries when this is the life style of those people. Fighting first was said to protect the few that choose not to like there leaders, then it was about the oil fields. NONE of this was truth. I also agree that we can find and destroy anyone anywhere and do not need to allow our military to come home deceased or wounded. Sorry to say, another poor excuse for a leader, from Chicago, which is in the state I live. Bin would fit right in with the boys from chicago.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years ago@ Steve Gough who wrote;
"At some unknown point a group of spymasters more or less came up to Obama while he was on the 9th tee, dropped a manila envelope in his golf cart and more or less said: etc etc"
I guess you didn't read Mr Yon's 5-3-11 dispatch. "SR. DEFENSE OFFICIAL: Let me just add -- the president's role in this should not be underestimated. I think there was a body of intelligence that was brought forward to him and his team, as was described, but in the final weeks and really months of this, his personal interest and direction and attention pushed the case to a new level that enabled real action. And I think that role is quite important."
You must be thinking of the last president, who couldn’t be bothered to read the memos (warning of the impending attacks with airplanes) that were already on his desk for weeks.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoIs showing this picture going to prove anything? No, pictures are even easier to fake than press releases. Going after Bin Laden was about justice. Reveling in a picture of his mutilated body is about vengeance. I hope our government's official position never becomes about vengeance instead of justice.
Obama told the SEALs, go after Bin Laden and if you meet any resistance, kill him.
They met resistance (firefight), they killed him.
Obama was satisfied they had done what he asked, and said so.
Now the press/bloggers are questioning the actions of the SEALs... they're the ones criticizing the actions of the Seal team, not Obama. They’re the ones nit-picking the meaning of resistance, not Obama. And it’s fools that are siding with those monday-morning-quarterbacks online, instead of backing the actions of the SEAL team and Obama.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years ago[quote name="Wesley"]would appreciate that the photo wouldn't do a thing to verify his death only serve to anger even bolster OBL supporters.. Why give them that tool?[/quote]
Serve to anger!!?? That's all these prople are is angry! Everytime someone farts in their direction, they get angry & kill people adn destroy property. when they leave their friday "worship" they are angry. I must clarify though, it is mostly all men who are angry, since woman aren't allowed to show their face (literally) at these demonstrations. Dark age believers. Enough!1 Rejoice in the monster's death & all the ones to follow.
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoxoxoxoBruce,
I don't understand where you are drawing your arbitrary line. Was it wrong to release the photos of US Gangsters (like Bonnie & Clyde?)? Is the Govt. wrong, too, to allow Michael Yon to publich his battlefield photography since it's sometimes bloody and might offend? Was it wrong for the NYT to publish the Abu Grahib photos 20 times on their front page?
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoThe INFOSEC guidelines are hysterical.
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This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoI know just about everyone wants Bin Ladens pics released. I do too! But not at the expense of one of our soldiers. I think they should stay SECRET until all the US Military personnel are out of the sandbox. Forget about the News media, newspapers,and US citizens. We have soldiers who well be dealing with these nut jobs. The mission should have stayed CLASSIFIED and not leaked to the News media. The stories are out and their are many versions. The Obama Administration did a great job on the Kill mission but screwed up the post mission. The training camps would be using his pictures as a propaganda tool. If I had my way they should have throw the SOB in a pig farm!
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years ago@Frank -- Don't you agree that the The training camps should be using his "DEMISE" pictures as a propaganda tool?? I mean wouldn't that scare a potential recruit from that type of ending?? But then again, they can't help but think "they are special" and won't meet such an end... again... they aren't rational, so why we cater to any of them is beyond me!! :-*
This commment is unpublished.· 7 years agoPictures can be Photoshopped too easily. But I always believed that Osama had been killed years ago so there would be no way to release pictures of a person who was not Osama. Obama opposed anything that would have brought about the killing of Osama if Osama was alive. No, I don't think so, the timing is too convenient for Obama...he needed something to take the spotlight off of his other trials. This could have been an elaborate scheme. Sorry I don't believe what comes out of Obama's mouth.