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27 July 2009
Sangin, Afghanistan





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The War in Afghanistan has truly begun. This will be a long, difficult fight that is set to eclipse anything we’ve seen in Iraq. As 2010 unfolds, my 6th year of war coverage will unfold with it. There is relatively little interest in Afghanistan by comparison to previous interest in Iraq, and so reader interest is low. Afghanistan is serious, very deadly business. Like Iraq, however, it gets pushed around as a political brawling pit while the people fighting the war are mostly forgotten. The arguments at home seem more likely to revolve around a few words from the President than the ground realities of combat here. I can bring the ground realities, but can sustain the coverage only by the graciousness of readers. Please keep that in mind. Please click…
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Helmand
What is that camo?
SITCOMS for SOLDIERS
Wake up America
Gunnery Sergeant United States Marine Corps
Afghanistan: The Graveyard of Empires
".....Since 1898 and 1934, the Marines invaded Cuba 4 times, Nicaragua 5 times, Honduras 7 times, the Dominican Republic 4 times, Haiti twice, Guatemala once, Panama twice, Mexico 3 times and Columbia 4 times," Washington has intervened militarily in foreign countries more than 200 times."
Those who misread history are condemned to make foolish analogies
Afghanistan certainly was not a 'graveyard' for the Macedonian, Parthian, Kushan, Hun, Ghaznavid Turkish, Mongol or Timurlic Empires! All conquered Afghanistan quite successfully; and it happens that the Widow's second Afghan war (1878-80) reduced the place to a British vassal state, which it remained until after WWI.
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Those appear to be chinooks.
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correcting the correction
Ummmm... Try reading the post again. It will come to you.
Thanks for realistic reporting
Afghanistan
Alexander took Iran in 3 months, he fought in Afghanistan for 5 Years....peace only was settled once he married Roxanna (who was an Afghan) which basically means peace, because Afghans wont fight against relatives. "In a letter to his mother, Alexander described his encounters with the western and northern tribes (Afghans) thus: "I am involved in the land of a 'Leonine' (lion-like) and brave people, where every foot of the ground is like a wall of steel, confronting my soldier. You have brought only one son into the world, but everyone in this land can be called an Alexander.”"
The Parthians (the base of that empire was once Afghanistan), Kushani's, and Ghaznavid's are all Afghan empire's (Ghazni is a province in Afghanistan today and I dont know why on earth you think that they were Turkish).
The White Huns migrated and intermarried with Afghan's forming the Ghilzai tribe.
Timur-e-Lang came to Afghanistan, fought, lost too many men and a peace agreement was made, this is a relatively new revelation because I have not heard of it anywhere else and if you know anyone that can translate the site then it's on there: http://www.jame-ghor.com/. As peace returns to Afghanistan it's REAL history can gradually be revealed, not accounts by embaressed empires trying to make it seem like they didnt fail.
...and also the last time the British came to Afghanistan the grandfathers of the Taliban and residents of all Afghanistan drove them out. The British could not conquer us militarily at the height of their Empire so they used dirty politics and Islam to place Indians/Pakistani's in a position of power, the British have never liked us and the people of Helmand/Kandahar return that feeling tenfold because thats where most battle's took place and the stories are still fresh in people's minds so perhaps a solution would be for them to be stationed elsewhere in Afghanistan.
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That comment is completely untrue, we lived in Afghanistan during the Soviet war, and they were in no way crude or incompetent, their soldiers were very well disciplined, effective, had state of the art technology and they knew how to use it, but they ended up fighting a large force because they went and killed innocent people which will never sit well with the population and therefore the insurgency grew.
Off-topic, but well-noted
What is that camo? - Answered
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Camo
That would fit with the several soldiers wearing temperate DPM. But why would they dye their shirts aquamarine? Why would so many of the soldiers have not dyed their desert DPM shirts? And why did none of the soldiers who dyed their shirts dye their trousers to match?
The "various" rockets is an M72 LAW
The rocket strapped to the back of the soldiers back pack which you refer to as "various rockets" is an updated version of the M72 LAW that was used in Vietnam. While the US developed and originally manufactured the M72 LAW it is no longer produced in the US and is licensed produced in Norway. Both the British, US, etc forces in Afghanistan have the M72 LAW instead of the antiarmor weapons they replaced them with. The US replacement the the AT-4 and the British replacement the LAW 80 are two heavy and have warheads dedicated to antiarmor (HEAT warheads) use. The versions brought from Norway are dual purpose and weigh about half of the two modern weapons I mentioned. Also the M72 LAW round is very, very MUCHO cheaper. By a factor of five M72s per AT-4/LAW 80 round.
As far as I know the US Marines don't use the M72 LAW as they have the SMAW which while called an RPG type weapon is not, but when people see them in action I can understand why. The SMAW is extremely accurate (ie it has a spotting gun on the side copied from the British LAW 80) and has various types of rounds other than the standard antiarmor rounds.
Jack E. Hammond
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The Russian Soldiers in Afghanistan
That comment is completely untrue, we lived in Afghanistan during the Soviet war, and they were in no way crude or incompetent, their soldiers were very well disciplined, effective, had state of the art technology and they knew how to use it, but they ended up fighting a large force because they went and killed innocent people which will never sit well with the population and therefore the insurgency grew.
Dear Sir,
Your statement is at odds with all written and video material (even from the Russians). The Red Army soldiers were probably more brutalized in their two year service by their officers and Sgts than those in the British Army in the Napoleon War, the soldiers of the French Foreign Legion before WW1 and the Japanese soldiers after WW1 till the end of WW2. And that is saying a lot.
A book has recently been published by a reporter who is pro-Russian (married to a Russian woman) that is based on official Russian files of the Afghan War and material supplied him by retired Red Army officers who have served in both the GRU and the KBG. One of them the station chief in Kabul in 1979. Would they lie.
Some Russian officers have stated they lost the war because of one reason: LOOTING. Red Army helicopter pilots even made deals with ground units to go out and find Afghan's traveling on roads and fire and block them so the ground units could come up. Afghans were very wary of coming on Red Army road blocks due to the mass looting. In fact the original divisions called up in the southern USSR republics to invade Afghanistan in 1979/1980 had to be pulled out because many of them were made up of Moslem soldiers who were appalled at the behavior of the Red Army. And this is the sad part. Many Afghans (not the Puastuns though) welcomed the Red Army. Because while the Russians wanted an Afghanistan friendly to Russia, they did not expect the two factions in Afghanistan would fight over who could be the most like Stalin in 1930. That was why the Red Army killed the then president of Afghanistan. Not because he was not pro-Russian enough, but because he was so cruel as turning his own against them and the Russians.
Finally, having stated the above. In last half of the Afghan/Russian War the Red Army used more and more airborne forces (the soldiers who wear the white and blue strip t-shirts) like the French did in IndoChina. They were disciplined and did not loot. But by then it was to late.
Jack E. Hammond
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Tell us what you need right now
Thanks for the reports and the tweets.
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btw, your blog should be required reading for all English citizens. You've covered our Brit buddies well and their heroism deserves to be honored somewhere other than in the mil-blogosphere. You Limies are welcome in my Army anyday.
River of Opium
Great dispatch as always
Various rockets- response.
Your being too smart for your own good Jack, Michael is fully aware of what the rocket is, he was merely stating that the Brits use a variety (not in the picture) including the the AT 4 and Javelin, both of which are anti armour weapons. The Javelin is heavy and expensive and not very practical for an enemy with no armour. I've seen footage of British troops using a Javelin to kill one Taliban because he was too far away to shoot with a rifle. What they need is more snipers, and helicopters of course.
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Jason> Your being too smart for your own good Jack, Michael is fully aware of what the rocket is, he was merely stating that the Brits use a variety (not in the picture) including the the AT 4 and Javelin, both of which are anti armour weapons. The Javelin is heavy and expensive and not very practical for an enemy with no armour. I've seen footage of British troops using a Javelin to kill one Taliban because he was too far away to shoot with a rifle. What they need is more snipers, and helicopters of course.
Dear Jason,
Sorry if I gave that impression. But from time to time Michael has posted asking for ID of weapons (ie one time a bouncing type of bomblet South Africa made and sold to Saddam). As to the AT4 I was unaware the British Army had bought any. But the information was FYI for others also.
As to the Javelin I saw the report on it and the misfire (ie that is a very expensive misfire). I contacted the representative for the Javelin at Rayethon -- ie he was a Sgt with the Special Forces in North Iraq/Kurdish area in 2003 and took out I believe 5 Iraqi tanks with the Javelin. He was extremely interested in Yon's report and Rayethon got on the subject of why the misfires.
As to the use of snipers. The sniper was probably in a position that a sniper could not get at. Remember the sniper was just harassing. The US Army is aware that the Javelin is a very expensive "bullet" to get at one or even two bad guys. The US Army is pushing hard to R&D and manufacture and get to the field a smart 81mm/120mm mortar round that will home in on laser for Afghanistan.
With the British though in their forward operating bases it I can not understand why they did not bring a bunch of their MILAN launchers and missiles. They now are dirt cheap and eventually will be destroyed. During the Falklands War, the British advance on Mt Stanley got stalled by a bunch of Argentine bunkers with .50 caliber machine guns. One two man British Royal Marine MILAN section took out several of those bunkers by just firing on the muzzle flashes.
Finally, as strange as it sounds, Brazil still has in production one of the best long range "heavy" sniper weapons that the US Army found in the Korean War. The old 57mm recoiless cannon. The 57mm RCL fires a fully spin stabalized round which has astonishing accuracy at long range. It is fitted with a scope to help achieve that accuracy. That would be a weapon that is light and accurate which would be a lot cheaper bullet than the JAVELIN or having to use laser guided 500lb/1000lb bombs.
Jack E. Hammond
NOTE> One item of concern to the US Army units in the Kumar River Valley area is "heavy" sniping rifles. They don't state the type or caliber. But the use of heavy caliber (.50 caliber and up) requires training. They could cause serious problems for our guys in the hands of bad guys with training. And the question, besides the type of heavy sniping/material rifles is where are they getting them, who from and who is giving the training? I fear it would be still some Pakistani agency.
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Great report
U. S. citizen
The soldiers are watching the movies that you listed for relaxation??!! Oh, my gosh!! To me that would be about as relaxing as being someone who has been hit by a train and is watching movies about train wrecks!! Ouch!
God bless to all.
A lady from the South.
U. S. citizen
The soldiers are watching the movies that you listed for relaxation??!! Oh, my gosh!! To me that would be about as relaxing as being someone who has been hit by a train and is watching movies about train wrecks!! Ouch!
God bless to all.
A lady from the South.
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My fiance is over there. I wish I could find more news on what is going on. There's just not enough. I know everything that is available through news sources about this war...and I still feel so in the dark.
Here's hoping you get a picture of my Fiance.
And here's hoping you get proper funding. Good luck.
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Can I ask the same question as Mark Miller ? There is a debate in the UK over the relatively low numbers of MRAP level protected vehicles given to our troops. Your view would be very interesting.
The comments on LAW vs. later anti-armour rockets are interesting. Seems to support the concept that we should be re-balancing some of our defence equipment spend in the direction of simpler-cheaper against major war technologies ?
M72
This is awesome & scary!
I have been in search of REAL news about Afganistan, but haven't found any until today when I stumbled across your site (via Sgt Grit newsletter).
Keep up the good work and stay safe!
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*Great pics btw*
Disgusting lands
my gorgeous son
our gorgeous grandson
These boys are such babies when they leave us to return having seen such things in months that no one should see in a life time. Relief and guilt surround any news of fatalities when names are unknown and then revealed. A privilege to see these pictures - the reality behind the passing out parades and no. 1's - Thank you.









There is much interest in Afghanistan, by those of us with young men there. Yours is the first real report I've ever seen.
My son will be deployed in late October.
I pray you get support. I have very little money to share and I'm sorry!
God be with All those brave fighttin young men. And God Bless the People of Afghanistan who crave Freedom!
Yours.